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Old 01-31-2013, 10:31 PM   #91
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I live and work in a town with a large Jewish population. I've been wished a Happy Hanukkah before, and I actually enjoy the religious-specific reference. For me, it's humanizing. I've never been offended by someone who wishes me a blessing according to their own tradition.

But you never ever feel marginalized or uncomfortable.

Obviously, if you know someone, go for it.

I just fail to see how HH is some sort of capitulation to awfulness.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:38 PM   #92
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I think saying Happy Holidays brings everyone together, regardless of beliefs or attitudes toward Christmas or other holidays.

It would be cool for everyone to comfortable to wish someone to enjoy their holiday by saying Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Eid Mubarak and so forth. But we are not there yet, and who knows when we could be.

I do wonder though, what to say to a non-Christian on Christmas Eve. Let's say everyone is leaving work and will have the following day off. Should we all wish each other Merry Christmas or tell those who don't celebrate to simply enjoy the day off? Nah, the latter sounds condescending.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:59 PM   #93
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Is Christmas still quite religious over yonder? Here I know more people saying "Merry Christmas" to each other who are non-religious.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:14 PM   #94
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Nah, it's whatever the individual wants it to be. Some people celebrate one aspect of it and some celebrate another. I wouldn't assume an atheist would be offended by Merry Christmas because it isn't a strictly religious holiday.
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Is Christmas still quite religious over yonder? Here I know more people saying "Merry Christmas" to each other who are non-religious.

it's not so much to do with being religious or not but recognizing that there are Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, etc., living and working all around us.

some of them may celebrate Christmas in a secular fashion -- a tree, Santa, little else -- but many may not.

actually, i usually say to people, "enjoy the holidays."
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I think everyone should wish each other a Happy Boxing Day, because if there's one thing that unites us all it's mocking Canada.
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it's not so much to do with being religious or not but recognizing that there are Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, etc., living and working all around us.
I wonder how many of them get offended when someone says "Merry Christmas"?
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I wonder how many of them get offended when someone says "Merry Christmas"?

Probably not offended, in the strict sense, but more likely mildly annoyed.
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Then I guess the real question is, are any of them complaining about it? I've read enough of your thoughts (Yes, even the ones you don't write in here...) to know that you're not this type, but a lot of the people outspoken on issues like this are the kind of people to get offended on behalf of other people - usually minorities - when the ones they're offended for couldn't care less. It's usually how ridiculous school policies like "Orange and Black Day" come about
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I've known quite a few Jews who never liked it when people said Merry Christmas to them. They even didn't mince words when complaining about Christmas music and decorations at the mall.
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............So, did everyone have a good Christmas?
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:27 AM   #102
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They even didn't mince words when complaining about Christmas music and decorations at the mall.
I don't think this is unique to disgruntled Jews
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It is said that god made mankind in his own image. What do you think this means?

(I'm also interested in the answers of those who see the Bible as a literary work and god as a character--how would you answer that question as a literature student?)
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I think it's nothing more than to inflate our own self worth. "See, we are just like HIM!". If that were true, then God is not a perfect being, since we humans are extremly imperfect in every aspect of our lives.

Obviously I believe man made God in his image, with ego and ignorance being the two central themes.

I think if you put God a character, it's a more interesting story (albeit cruel in most parts of the story), but we'd probably have less violence and misery if we all understood our holy books to be 2000 year old stories
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This is what I've just found from Wikipedia about the different interpretations of the Bible that is also applied to other religious texts. I copied from Wikipedia because I'm a lazy ass.

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Different Christians have different views on how to perform Biblical Exegesis. The two most common views are revealed and rational.

Revealed exegesis considers that the Holy Spirit (God) inspired the authors of the scriptural texts, and so the words of those texts convey a divine revelation. In this view of exegesis, the principle of sensus plenior applies - that because of its divine authorship, the Bible has a "fuller meaning" than its human authors intended or could have foreseen.

Rational exegesis bases its operation on the idea that the authors have their own inspiration (in this sense, synonymous with "artistic inspiration"), so their works are completely and utterly a product of the social environment and human intelligence of their authors.
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from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exegesis

I would go with rational exegesis because it takes into account the time the Bible was written and who wrote it. I went to a church school, and we were taught about evolution. The story of Genesis and of Noah's Arc were not to be taken at face value, they are metaphor's. In fact I am shocked that people believe that Noah's Arc actually happened.
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