The God Questions - Page 3 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-26-2013, 12:02 AM   #31
Refugee
 
Cactus Annie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: The Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxaroedenfoe
Posts: 2,146
Local Time: 09:15 AM
Have you? I don't think you have, have you?
__________________

__________________
Cactus Annie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 12:40 AM   #32
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Jive Turkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,646
Local Time: 04:15 AM
Please, this isn't about me
__________________

__________________
Jive Turkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 09:17 AM   #33
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BonosSaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,566
Local Time: 05:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cactus Annie View Post

I don't know myself, tbh. Can I pass on answering? I find it very hard to explain.
I'm pretty sure Jive Turkey is kidding. I started the thread. You get a pass.

An atheist believes in no god, Christian or otherwise, in any form, no higher power. An agnostic has some wiggle room.
__________________
BonosSaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 03:50 PM   #34
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BEAL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3,594
Local Time: 09:15 AM
An atheist doesn't believe in any gods.


An agnostic doesn't know if any gods exist.

You can be both. As I don't know if any gods exist, as with unicorns. Guess they could. I just haven't seen any evidence to suggest they do. So I do not believe
__________________
BEAL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 05:11 PM   #35
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BonosSaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,566
Local Time: 05:15 AM
Difference noted. I've just seen more agnostics shift between belief and unbelief. An agnostic can be steadily indifferent/nonbelieving or vacillate between belief and nonbelief as one might not believe in fairies, but leave a treat for them just in case--or not believe in ghosts, but would rather not be in a cemetery at midnight. Sometimes logic and primal/superstition conflict. Hence, wiggle room.
__________________
BonosSaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 07:07 PM   #36
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Jive Turkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,646
Local Time: 04:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BEAL View Post
As I don't know if any gods exist, as with unicorns. Guess they could. I just haven't seen any evidence to suggest they do. So I do not believe
Often referred to as a Teapot Atheist
__________________
Jive Turkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2013, 02:13 PM   #37
Refugee
 
Cactus Annie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: The Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxaroedenfoe
Posts: 2,146
Local Time: 09:15 AM
Buddhists don't actually believe in God do they? They are few New Age groups that practice spiritual development, such as meditating, but don't actually believe in God. I've met a few of them in my life. Many are lapsed Christians.

Is it possible to be an atheist and a spiritualist or do you think that means your agnostic?
__________________
Cactus Annie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2013, 02:23 PM   #38
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,653
Local Time: 05:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cactus Annie View Post
Buddhists don't actually believe in God do they? They are few New Age groups that practice spiritual development, such as meditating, but don't actually believe in God. I've met a few of them in my life. Many are lapsed Christians.

Is it possible to be an atheist and a spiritualist or do you think that means your agnostic?
The Buddha never explored the existence of a god. The most he did was say that it was too complicated and unnecessary to wrap one's mind around.

I've heard about atheists declaring themselves spiritual, though I personally find it hard to understand. I see spirituality as having a relationship with God and seeing the divine everywhere. But others have different definitions of spirituality though.
__________________
Pearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2013, 03:18 PM   #39
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Jive Turkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,646
Local Time: 04:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearl View Post
I've heard about atheists declaring themselves spiritual, though I personally find it hard to understand. I see spirituality as having a relationship with God and seeing the divine everywhere. But others have different definitions of spirituality though.
I'd probably consider myself more of an agnostic than a true atheist, and am probably as far from 'spiritual' as you can get, but I can kind of understand being both. I'm thinking of the weird 'mother earth' spiritual types.
__________________
Jive Turkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2013, 05:12 PM   #40
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BEAL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3,594
Local Time: 09:15 AM
Buddha probably has the right thinking. The "what is out there" is so large that its most definitely infinite. Is there a god? Is there multiple gods? Who created them? What are they made of? It's just more complexity.

Live a good life. Everything else will sort itself out. If you need a belief, ok then.
__________________
BEAL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2013, 05:38 PM   #41
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,653
Local Time: 05:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BEAL View Post
Buddha probably has the right thinking. The "what is out there" is so large that its most definitely infinite. Is there a god? Is there multiple gods? Who created them? What are they made of? It's just more complexity.

Live a good life. Everything else will sort itself out. If you need a belief, ok then.
And besides, there's a saying that anyone who claims to know God, doesn't know Him at all.

It's a good saying and that's what I think of when radicals say "This is God's will!" - and that could be Christian or Muslim or any kind of religious extremists. Really, they know God so well? Because I would think if God was so easy to figure out, wouldn't life be simpler, other people be easy to figure out, and science easy to explore? I think God is as complex as the world is.

As for who or what created God or the universe itself, that's even something I can't wrap my mind around. If I find myself wondering about what created the Big Bang, then I'd want to go back and ask what created that? And that? And that? Time seems to have no beginning and it is both astounding and baffling.
__________________
Pearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 06:01 AM   #42
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
Kieran McConville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Auto Dafoe
Posts: 9,600
Local Time: 07:15 PM
I return again to my pet theory that God, if such a thing exists, may be the Final Mind of a previous universe. After that, unfortunately, it's turtles all the way down. Lots of turtles, potentially.
__________________
Kieran McConville is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 01:05 PM   #43
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Jive Turkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,646
Local Time: 04:15 AM
I wonder how many will understand that reference....
__________________
Jive Turkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 01:28 PM   #44
Blue Meth Addict
 
u2popmofo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Texas
Posts: 36,961
Local Time: 03:15 AM
It can be argued that some sects of Buddhism believe in gods, as bodhisattvas can take on this type of "deity" role. It varies vastly from sect to sect though, more so than many westerners are used to with Christianity.
__________________
u2popmofo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 01:55 PM   #45
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
iron yuppie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 9,448
Local Time: 03:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by u2popmofo View Post
It can be argued that some sects of Buddhism believe in gods, as bodhisattvas can take on this type of "deity" role. It varies vastly from sect to sect though, more so than many westerners are used to with Christianity.
I guess this depends on what we mean by a god. If we are talking about something that transcends physicality and "normal" human experience, then I would say bodhisattvas are definitely gods. If we are talking about a supernatural being with direct power over the workings of the world, then they don't quite fit that mold.

The only question in this thread to which I want to respond is the one about the "War on Christmas." There is by no means a war on Christmas. If anything, there is a war on the part of militant Christians to impose Christmas on everyone regardless of willingness to participate.
__________________

__________________
iron yuppie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com