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Old 11-06-2008, 06:56 PM   #16
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Step 1: It doesn't matter what the leader is if they don't know how to counter the Alinsky tactics.
You realize your guy was employing them himself, right? I mean you read the article right?


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Step 2 is to try to take back Congress
This is a result not a strategy.

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These tactics are to make conservatives afraid and retire for private life so public life is dominated by the left. I can also see how psychopaths would find entertainment in these tactics and see people react like puppets and get pushed out of the scene.
This doesn't even make sense... So now Fox News wants the left to dominate "public life"? I would lay off the drugs...
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:57 PM   #17
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and if either are the 2012 nominee, it will truly be a white southern party.
Yes, but they may want to concede 2012 anyway.

I actually really liked Huckabee. He has a couple of decent ideas, but I think he's 95% batshit crazy. However, I think he is genuine, he doesn't pander but actually believes the batshit crazy stuff he says, and he was very, very progressive in terms of his comments on Obama and race, and came across as a very likeable gentleman.

There isn't a chance I'd ever vote for him, but unlike Palin, I can respect him as a person at least.
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:58 PM   #18
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One thing in that first article that struck me was the bit about people maybe not knowing what the Republicans stood for anymore.

Rubbish! I cannot imagine that the last eight years left the slightest ambiguity about what the party stood for... this was not a wishy-washy regime.
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Old 11-06-2008, 07:05 PM   #19
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and if either are the 2012 nominee, it will truly be a white southern party.
It isn't already ? RNC Demographics......

--Only 32% are women (down from 43% in 2004)

--93% are white

--72% are self-described "conservative" (up from 63%)

--34% are millionaires (up from 27%) - Joe Millionaire !!!

--30% are Catholic (highest in survey history, beginning 1976)

--57% say the economy is currently in good shape

--80% say that in retrospect, invading Iraq was the right thing to do

--48% say the Iraq War is going very well,
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Yes, but they may want to concede 2012 anyway.

I actually really liked Huckabee. He has a couple of decent ideas, but I think he's 95% batshit crazy. However, I think he is genuine, he doesn't pander but actually believes the batshit crazy stuff he says, and he was very, very progressive in terms of his comments on Obama and race, and came across as a very likeable gentleman.

There isn't a chance I'd ever vote for him, but unlike Palin, I can respect him as a person at least.
I've always felt the same way about Huckabee. He's very likable.



Why the hell does this portion of the Alinsky book keep being held out like it's some evil plot by the left to take over the world? It's merely a longtime set of very effective community organization principles that strives to empower people by building support from the bottom up. Given Obama's background, I'm not surprised he learned a thing or two from this and used it very effectively in his campaign.
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Yeah that's probably the most convincing thing going for Republicans to pick Jindal I guess. But I don't know much about his beliefs and stances.
Would YOU vote for Jindal?

You know, if you could vote and all...
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Would YOU vote for Jindal?

You know, if you could vote and all...
I don't know. I'd have to read up about his beliefs on the various issues and such. But I find myself leaning a lot to the left, so I don't see myself voting for a republican... unless I really believe in his stances.. I guess.
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So let me get this straight, FOX News is scaremongering the Republicans against one of their own because they want the left (in their view, everyone else) to dominate the media?
The moderates don't like the conservative wing of the party and want them to be out of commission. Palin is shaken right now and that's the way it's supposed to be. If you personally had that kind of resistance to a job most people would look for another. If you're Sarah Palin you have to be VERY motivated to want to get into federal politics again after the nasty campaigning.

FoxNews wants to move to Jindal already and McCain/Palin are history as far as they are concerned. The disappointment in their performance is palpable. The discourse in media and politics is going to continue being nasty because it's the most effective tool at the moment.
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You realize your guy was employing them himself, right? I mean you read the article right?



This is a result not a strategy.



This doesn't even make sense... So now Fox News wants the left to dominate "public life"? I would lay off the drugs...
BVS gets a Gold star for passing the Alinsky test.

I'm on to you.
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Why the hell does this portion of the Alinsky book keep being held out like it's some evil plot by the left to take over the world? It's merely a longtime set of very effective community organization principles that strives to empower people by building support from the bottom up. Given Obama's background, I'm not surprised he learned a thing or two from this and used it very effectively in his campaign.
Two words: group thought.

Hannity finds it, talks about it, describes it as evil, shows the comparisons next thing we know it's an extreme right talking point.
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Two words: group thought.

Hannity finds it, talks about it, describes it as evil, shows the comparisons next thing we know it's an extreme right talking point.
Yes, those evil poverty stricken people, living in tenements, fighting da man to get asbestos removed from their buildings. Those bastards!

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The moderates don't like the conservative wing of the party and want them to be out of commission. Palin is shaken right now and that's the way it's supposed to be. If you personally had that kind of resistance to a job most people would look for another. If you're Sarah Palin you have to be VERY motivated to want to get into federal politics again after the nasty campaigning.

FoxNews wants to move to Jindal already and McCain/Palin are history as far as they are concerned. The disappointment in their performance is palpable. The discourse in media and politics is going to continue being nasty because it's the most effective tool at the moment.
Read this and tell me how it answers the question anitram and I asked you.
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BVS gets a Gold star for passing the Alinsky test.

I'm on to you.
And your record for not answering the question and completely ignoring the issues, has gone twice platinum.
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--57% say the economy is currently in good shape
If that's an economy being in good shape, I really don't want to see one in bad shape. Well, we will soon.
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now that the party has been smashed by the double-whammy of 8 years of incompetence and the Obama Tsunami of 11/4/08, where does the GOP go?

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thoughts? what does the GOP have to do in order to prevent itself from becoming a regional party composed of older southern religious whites? how can the GOP adapt to the 21st century? how will they appeal to the under 40s? the under 30s? the teenagers of today who will be voting in 2012 and beyond? what would you do were you in charge?

my advice would be to start grooming Jindal.


My advice is to read the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
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