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Old 06-26-2015, 10:12 PM   #196
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. I was trying to just share how much it hurts me to see a parent turn on their kid,
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Old 06-26-2015, 11:07 PM   #197
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The Even Gayer than the Gay thread

I'm at the White House right now. The crowd seems to alternate between Taylor Swift and the national anthem. The building is gorgeously lit with rainbow colors.

It's gorgeous. And calm.

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Old 06-26-2015, 11:08 PM   #198
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Edit: damn it don't you edit that! Lol
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Old 06-26-2015, 11:20 PM   #199
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I'm at the White House right now. The crowd seems to alternate between Taylor Swift and the national anthem. The building is gorgeously lit with rainbow colors.

It's gorgeous. And calm.

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Don't really have much to say other than what a fantastic day. Just happy all around.
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Gay marriage, I went to the NHL draft (none of them were gay though, *sigh*), and I got an internship with NASA. What a day.
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What strikes me is how many people in my FB feed said they were moved to tears by the decision. And that so many people at the White House tonight said that, at last, they felt included. Part of the conversation. Part of the culture. Part of the family.

I think there is value to be apart from the mainstream, to forge your own identity and way to live apart from societal norms.

But not everyone wants that. My guess is most LGBT people want lives that are, basically, "normal." They want to be a part of the mainstream.

At least now they have that option. At least in the eyes of the government.

It's a good day. I'm still concerned about housing and employment discrimination, and HIV, and suicidal teenagers, and abusive parents. But today we can say to everyone that you are not a second class citizen.

I would not have thought this possible 10 years ago when I started posting on here with regularity and was totally fine with civil unions. Now, I wonder about how I viewed my own self-worth back then.

And it's our allies who make this possible. Thank you.
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Old 06-27-2015, 12:42 AM   #203
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I think there is value to be apart from the mainstream, to forge your own identity and way to live apart from societal norms.
This is actually something I have been wondering about: do you think that, as LGBT rights become more mainstream both socially and politically, that the culture will be homogenized to some extent? And is that a problem if it is?
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(none of them were gay though, *sigh*)
have you ever been within 50 feet of a hockey team's dressing room? If so you must know that ain't true.
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I would not have thought this possible 10 years ago when I started posting on here with regularity and was totally fine with civil unions. Now, I wonder about how I viewed my own self-worth back then.

And it's our allies who make this possible. Thank you.
I very much see what you are saying, and I am happy and pleased at your relief. I'm glad that it has helped you feel better about yourself.

I always wanted a separation between the religion and the state, but I see now that doing so just leads to a separation between people. No matter what you do, if you use a different word, it's going to make someone feel different.

It's time to put my wants on the shelf on this one, as I've tried to convey many times today. I'm nothing but happy for you, having also posted right here alongside you, I know you're not just passionate about your topic, it's your life, and it's who you are. Which leads me to:
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This is actually something I have been wondering about: do you think that, as LGBT rights become more mainstream both socially and politically, that the culture will be homogenized to some extent? And is that a problem if it is?
I hope I won't be remiss in comparing this with the situation of blacks in America post 60s, but it's hard not to do so, to me. While there's certain to be cultural shifts, I imagine that the LGBT community will always be their own community. The same seems to be the case in the former situation, where things have obviously gotten better (with dips back into worse, obviously this year being one of them), but there's no doubt that culture is culture and we all have unique ways of embracing life.
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What strikes me is how many people in my FB feed said they were moved to tears by the decision. And that so many people at the White House tonight said that, at last, they felt included. Part of the conversation. Part of the culture. Part of the family.

I think there is value to be apart from the mainstream, to forge your own identity and way to live apart from societal norms.

But not everyone wants that. My guess is most LGBT people want lives that are, basically, "normal." They want to be a part of the mainstream.

At least now they have that option. At least in the eyes of the government.

It's a good day. I'm still concerned about housing and employment discrimination, and HIV, and suicidal teenagers, and abusive parents. But today we can say to everyone that you are not a second class citizen.

I would not have thought this possible 10 years ago when I started posting on here with regularity and was totally fine with civil unions. Now, I wonder about how I viewed my own self-worth back then.

And it's our allies who make this possible. Thank you.
I think there's a lot to be said for the community not to have just settled with "civil unions" back when that was being shoved down all our throats (no pun intended ) in the name of "compromise". I admire your (our?) tenacity in standing up for legit, honest equality. Why the fuck did it take so long?
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I hope I won't be remiss in comparing this with the situation of blacks in America post 60s, but it's hard not to do so, to me. While there's certain to be cultural shifts, I imagine that the LGBT community will always be their own community. The same seems to be the case in the former situation, where things have obviously gotten better (with dips back into worse, obviously this year being one of them), but there's no doubt that culture is culture and we all have unique ways of embracing life.
I'm no expert on gay culture, but I'd say I'm pretty familiar with it for several reasons, one of which being that I have a gay sibling, and it seems to me that a good deal of gay culture was/is rooted in embracing the otherness, for lack of a better term, and making a statement out of the way that particular community was viewed. A gay person coming of age now in the United States is going to have a different experience - sometimes radically different - than someone coming of age 20 years ago. I imagine that has to have some ramifications for the culture as a whole.
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Old 06-27-2015, 12:57 AM   #208
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have you ever been within 50 feet of a hockey team's dressing room? If so you must know that ain't true.

what I meant was... none of them know they're gay... yet 😆
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I always wanted a separation between the religion and the state, but I see now that doing so just leads to a separation between people. No matter what you do, if you use a different word, it's going to make someone feel different.
I don't understand what you're saying. People have had courthouse marriages for decades (centuries?) without having a religious ceremony. Did you want a marriage to be exclusively a religious construct? And straight couples who opted for a civil ceremony to not have a marriage?
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My two cents: What a great and historic day for those who are part of the LGBT community, and a great day to be living in a U.S. territory. I have a few friends and three family members who identify themselves as LGBT, so not only am I extremely happy for the entire community, I'm even happier that I've gotten to know some of them. Well fought and well deserved. I only wish the majority of the population here will start to welcome them with open arms.
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