BoMac
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These loons are going to be picketing tonight's Blue Jays-Royals game because Canada has same-sex marriage equality.
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bono_212
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Anything for attention
Galeongirl
Galeonbroad
Oh noes!
Seriously, how much noise can they make compared to an Arena full of sports fans?
Irvine511
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I've seen them firsthand and even snapped a selfie next to a guy holding a "repent or perish" sign.
They are pathetic and small. There were maybe 7 of them. Not to be taken seriously in any way.
In case you were wondering, I chose "perish."
They are pathetic and small. There were maybe 7 of them. Not to be taken seriously in any way.
In case you were wondering, I chose "perish."
Galeongirl
Galeonbroad
The Next Time Someone Uses The Bible To Say Homosexuality Is A Sin, Show Them This.
Not sure how much of this is true, but it is a rather amusing read.
Not sure how much of this is true, but it is a rather amusing read.
bono_212
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As I've mentioned in the past, not to sound like a broken record, but it's true in a sense.
It's certainly amusing to point at Lev. and the law and show Christians to be hypocrites for a variety of reasons beyond the obvious. The thing is, though, that the Old Law does not exactly apply to Christianity as a religion. It's a code to try and follow, but it's not the basis of rules for Christianity, but it is for Judaism. Or at least to my understanding it is.
So, once the Old Law was "fulfilled" by Jesus' sacrificial death, basically Paul's writings became the new guide to how to live in this new era.
To that effect: Paul still referred to homosexuality as a sin, whereas he went at length to explain why the food stuff is no longer a sin if you didn't already practice those customs. Specifically he says, " “The faith that you have, have as your own conviction before God. Blessed are those who have no reason to condemn themselves because of what they approve. But those who have doubts are condemned if they eat, because they do not act from faith;for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.”
But again: It's a guide. It's not black and white, because nothing ever is, except to try and trust in Jesus / God. There's more in this article, actually, which is pretty decent if you're interested: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mercynotsacrifice/2013/05/04/how-does-paul-define-sin-romans-1413-23/
So, anyways, sorry to ruin your joke. I do find it funny. This is just one of those things that constantly irritates me
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It's certainly amusing to point at Lev. and the law and show Christians to be hypocrites for a variety of reasons beyond the obvious. The thing is, though, that the Old Law does not exactly apply to Christianity as a religion. It's a code to try and follow, but it's not the basis of rules for Christianity, but it is for Judaism. Or at least to my understanding it is.
So, once the Old Law was "fulfilled" by Jesus' sacrificial death, basically Paul's writings became the new guide to how to live in this new era.
To that effect: Paul still referred to homosexuality as a sin, whereas he went at length to explain why the food stuff is no longer a sin if you didn't already practice those customs. Specifically he says, " “The faith that you have, have as your own conviction before God. Blessed are those who have no reason to condemn themselves because of what they approve. But those who have doubts are condemned if they eat, because they do not act from faith;for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.”
But again: It's a guide. It's not black and white, because nothing ever is, except to try and trust in Jesus / God. There's more in this article, actually, which is pretty decent if you're interested: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mercynotsacrifice/2013/05/04/how-does-paul-define-sin-romans-1413-23/
So, anyways, sorry to ruin your joke. I do find it funny. This is just one of those things that constantly irritates me
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Galeongirl
Galeonbroad
That is interesting indeed. You didn't ruin anything, I already had a feeling there was more to it than just the old testament. Though that line you say Paul said could be interested in different ways too. I mean, if I honestly believe I'm doing the right thing by being myself, one could call that an act of faith too. So if I'm acting out of my own faith, it is not a sin, right?
bono_212
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That's the grey difficult line to read.
Christianity is, in my interpretation, more about faith, doing charitable works, and being humble, than it is about keeping an itemized list of right and wrong, or judging others lists of right and wrong. It's a really personal faith that also relies on community for guidance, but ultimately comes down to the individual and their relationship with God.
So, yeah, the people that holds up the signs and claim God's judgement? They couldn't have it more wrong in my eyes.
Christianity is, in my interpretation, more about faith, doing charitable works, and being humble, than it is about keeping an itemized list of right and wrong, or judging others lists of right and wrong. It's a really personal faith that also relies on community for guidance, but ultimately comes down to the individual and their relationship with God.
So, yeah, the people that holds up the signs and claim God's judgement? They couldn't have it more wrong in my eyes.
bobsaget77
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Romans 1:25-26
"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
I Corinthians 6:9-10
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
And lastly, Jude 1:7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."
Does this give Christians the right to hate homosexuals? Obviously not. But I think scripture paints a brutal, yet clear, image of not only homosexuality, but all unrepentant sin. Many will argue that homosexuality is worse than other sexual sins due to the fact that it is believed by many to be a perversion of God's plan and being contrary to nature. But this is not the time nor the place for that debate.
"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
I Corinthians 6:9-10
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
And lastly, Jude 1:7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."
Does this give Christians the right to hate homosexuals? Obviously not. But I think scripture paints a brutal, yet clear, image of not only homosexuality, but all unrepentant sin. Many will argue that homosexuality is worse than other sexual sins due to the fact that it is believed by many to be a perversion of God's plan and being contrary to nature. But this is not the time nor the place for that debate.
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BVS
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Those are pretty crappy interpretations, the term "homosexuality" does not show up in any of the original languages used in the original text.
And the first needs context; it's not about the acts but the free for all that took place.
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And the first needs context; it's not about the acts but the free for all that took place.
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bobsaget77
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Glad that someone who is not a believer is telling me how to interpret scripture. Thanks for that wonderfully, uneducated advice once again. Where would we all be without BVS incredible knowledge.
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LuckyNumber7
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Glad that someone who is not a believer is telling me how to interpret scripture. Thanks for that wonderfully, uneducated advice once again. Where would we all be without BVS incredible knowledge.
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So, because you believe in God, your English comprehension skills are better than his? Okay...
BVS
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Glad that someone who is not a believer is telling me how to interpret scripture. Thanks for that wonderfully, uneducated advice once again. Where would we all be without BVS incredible knowledge.
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Wow, that's a grossly misinformed assumption.
I've studied the bible for more than 30 years, taught the bible, and have a true theologian in my family that I've spoke very extensively with about this subject.
Wow...
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BoMac
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So we're basing interpretations on texts thousands of years old, a time when the people who wrote them had no real scientific understanding of the world, including that people are born gay?
OK.
OK.
Galeongirl
Galeonbroad
Sooo, does the bible only specifically refer to homosexuality between men as a sin then? 
Personally, I'm not putting any value in the science of a book written that long ago. I'm just trying to gain a bit of understanding why there are people who do and why they condemn me for it, especially with today's scientific knowledge. Sadly, I still don't seem to understand this though.
Personally, I'm not putting any value in the science of a book written that long ago. I'm just trying to gain a bit of understanding why there are people who do and why they condemn me for it, especially with today's scientific knowledge. Sadly, I still don't seem to understand this though.
Glad that someone who is not a believer
That's quite an assumption.
And the rest of your post was needlessly rude and hostile.
bono_212
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Sooo, does the bible only specifically refer to homosexuality between men as a sin then?
Actually... Yes
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Irvine511
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Romans 1:25-26
"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
I Corinthians 6:9-10
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
And lastly, Jude 1:7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."
Does this give Christians the right to hate homosexuals? Obviously not. But I think scripture paints a brutal, yet clear, image of not only homosexuality, but all unrepentant sin. Many will argue that homosexuality is worse than other sexual sins due to the fact that it is believed by many to be a perversion of God's plan and being contrary to nature. But this is not the time nor the place for that debate.
Those verses dont sound like they have anything to do with homosexuality at all. Not as I understand and experience it as a full human being in a decade-long relationship with someone of the same sex who has fully integrated homosexuality into his life in a way that's very similar to heterosexuality. I don't "practice" anything. I experience it as you do your life.
Do you really think these verses have anything to do with me?
Irvine511
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LuckyNumber7
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This totally reminds me of that "Innocence of Muslims" film. Or, if we can even call it a film. Let me start by saying... that shit was hilarious.
The whole picking-and-choosing. I can see them deciding upon scripture in today's vernacular.
"Papal Figure: Ah, yes, and our religion won't have any of that frolicking, flower picking gay shit.
Cardinals: but, your holiness, what does God say about women?
Papal Figure: don't be absurd, Onofrio. "Gay" applies to men, only. God is down with a little girl-on-girl action, if you know what I mean. But none of that butch bullshit! God still expects them to act like ladies."
Moonlit_Angel
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But I think scripture paints a brutal, yet clear, image of not only homosexuality, but all unrepentant sin. Many will argue that homosexuality is worse than other sexual sins due to the fact that it is believed by many to be a perversion of God's plan and being contrary to nature. But this is not the time nor the place for that debate.
Well, good thing we don't base our laws on what the Bible says, then, right?
I don't consider homosexuality sinful in the first place, so reading all those quotes you shared makes me do nothing more than shrug and go, "Yeah, and?"
LuckyNumber7
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You don't get to determine what the bible says is and isn't a sin.
Bob Saget does.
Galeongirl
Galeonbroad
Actually... Yes
Sweet! I'm off the hook then!
Though I do recall something about not lying with both men and women in the same way, which could be a slight problem... but still.
if I give up the dudes I'm pretty much free of Christian hate then.Who isn't?
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Bob Saget is not a good Christian man
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LuckyNumber7
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I call sin by association.
Irvine511
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yep.
Moonlit_Angel
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Irvine511
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Good job Germany.
Our nation turns it's lonely eyes to you to lead the free world.
Our nation turns it's lonely eyes to you to lead the free world.
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BoMac
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Welcome to the right side of history, Australia. ?
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