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Old 03-02-2012, 04:44 PM   #46
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For all the crap being given to Iron Horse shouldn't we expect the poster who started this thread to chime in?

I'd actually like to hear Nathan's thoughts on this topic.
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:30 PM   #47
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Getting back on topic...

It's these people such as Francesca Minerva who give ammunition to the conservatives, who believe all liberals think like her. I remember Glenn Beck mentioned people like her on his show (Note: I never had watched his show; my parents are big fans of him. Try not to feel sorry for me).
But this is no different than blaming the victim. In this case, a "liberal" person being attacked and her words being used to generalise against an extremely heterogeneous mass of people.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:43 PM   #48
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For all the crap being given to Iron Horse shouldn't we expect the poster who started this thread to chime in?

I'd actually like to hear Nathan's thoughts on this topic.
I personally find the slippery slope both A) an ever-encroaching reality, and B) horrifying.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:59 PM   #49
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Has there been an upswing in infanticides -- or even murder -- since Roe v Wade?

(or just the opposite)
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I have heard some pretty disturbing stories of mothers murdering their babies over the years. But I don't know if that's part of a trend or just a weird, frightening exception.
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Old 03-02-2012, 07:24 PM   #51
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So one person mentions it (purely analytically and not at all suggesting it be done for real) and suddenly we're sliding down the slippery slope?
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I don't know that this is the "slippery slope." The reaction among all the "abortion-loving lefties on this forum" has been uniformly one of horror and condemnation.

I don't think that it's either "life begins at conception" or we end up ready to kill any kid under the age of two who isn't perfect.
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or we end up ready to kill any kid under the age of two who isn't perfect.
Better make it 3. Some kids turn out to be real jerks after their 2nd birthday
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:20 PM   #54
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I personally find the slippery slope both A) an ever-encroaching reality, and B) horrifying.
Well there's two slippery slopes. The "abortion is the lynchpin in the culture of death (abortion, euthanasia, human embryonic stem cells research, prenatal screening, organ harvesting)" slippery slope and then the "any restrictions on abortion now will eventually return women to the back-alley for abortions" slippery slope.

Speaking as a medical professional rather than a conservative, I think present and future advances in hi-tech medicine, fetal surgeries, embryology and biological research will, at the least, cause society and individuals to; gain different perspectives, rethink their views, and examine their consciences regarding the legal status of fetuses.

We've already seen this trend, for example, with fetal homicide laws, the sharp decline in the number of medical students training to perform abortions, and the public rebuking of pregnant women who smoke or consume alcohol.

As a conservative, I hope this is the direction society heads because, I too, am horrified (and have read enough science fiction ) to see where medical technology could take us otherwise.
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So one person mentions it (purely analytically and not at all suggesting it be done for real) and suddenly we're sliding down the slippery slope?


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My first thought is that your complete lack of curiosity or objectivity would be a detriment to someone entering the field of journalism, but on second thought it's probably an asset. The modus operandi of much of journalism today being to create a narrative and then seek out stories to support that narrative.

Being a good reporter in search of "news" or the "truth" being not nearly as important as being a bien-pensant reporter.
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Far as I can tell, the past hundred-two hundred years or so have been the only times in history where we haven't been regularly conducting infanticide collectively, and I think it's best we kept it that way. We've got a pretty good thing going here.

(totally pro-choice here, but I like kids).
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My first thought is that your complete lack of curiosity or objectivity would be a detriment to someone entering the field of journalism, but on second thought it's probably an asset. The modus operandi of much of journalism today being to create a narrative and then seek out stories to support that narrative.

Being a good reporter in search of "news" or the "truth" being not nearly as important as being a bien-pensant reporter.
You know, I considered taking this opportunity to talk about my journalistic style and describe how you're full of shit, but you and I both know you're just being an asshole. And hey, I probably deserve it for posting something so simple that doesn't encourage discussion, but yeah, we both know you don't know shit about how I actually conduct myself when it comes to writing stories, so let's just move on.
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So, my full thoughts: I think this "controversy" is really silly, because no one has actually suggested making baby killing legal. It's just an opportunity for pro-life people to make a slippery slope argument. It was irresponsible to post this research, because it's really stupid. No one is going to argue with them that babies are conscious enough to understand they are being killed. That doesn't matter at all. That's not what this discussion is about.

This has absolutely nothing to do with abortion.
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