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Old 08-24-2009, 08:28 PM   #91
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it's 0.05 over here, 0.00 for the first four years of your license... stop complaining
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:28 PM   #92
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Classic logical fallacy. Argument based on imputed expertise rather than reasoning. Your expertise on the issue does not make your arguments necessarily any more valid than opposing arguments.

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There was no logical fallacy. The accusation leveled at anitram was that she was brainwashed and didnt know any better. It was a perfectly reasonable response.
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:59 PM   #93
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Classic logical fallacy. Argument based on imputed expertise rather than reasoning. Your expertise on the issue does not make your arguments necessarily any more valid than opposing arguments.
No, but that wasn't the point I was making either.

He was saying that we're brainwashed, as if nobody here has given any logical or intelligent consideration to the matter at hand. Quite the opposite, I spent the better part of 2-3 years working on this stuff.
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Old 08-24-2009, 10:35 PM   #94
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Classic logical fallacy. Argument based on imputed expertise rather than reasoning. Your expertise on the issue does not make your arguments necessarily any more valid than opposing arguments.

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"classic logical fallacy" or not, on one side you have a guy who worked on the stuff for a long time, on the other side you have a guy who can't figure out 90% of 545, I know whose expertise I'm siding with.....
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"classic logical fallacy" or not, on one side you have a guy who worked on the stuff for a long time, on the other side you have a guy who can't figure out 90% of 545, I know whose expertise I'm siding with.....
Of course, Anitram is a woman, not a guy.
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One person I worked with (a very impressive man, I might add) always said that we don't need tougher drunk driving laws, we need smarter and more effective drunk driving laws. And it's very true. And it is also true that drunk driving laws have saved lives over the years.

The alcohol lobby is an incredible force, much like the tobacco lobby used to be. One example I can give you is the enormous struggle to get sobriety checkpoints going on weekend nights in bar areas. The lobby is so powerful that generally speaking, they will protect a perimeter of several kilometres in diameter around known drinking zones, because otherwise profits will go down. This is the sort of thing that you are dealing with behind the scenes, on a policy basis that people aren't even aware of.

Drunk driving laws should be targeted primarily at the 16-21 age group.
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No, but that wasn't the point I was making either.

He was saying that we're brainwashed, as if nobody here has given any logical or intelligent consideration to the matter at hand. Quite the opposite, I spent the better part of 2-3 years working on this stuff.
And I've got a lawyer buddy who would argue quite the opposite of you, maybe it's matter of opinion.

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"classic logical fallacy" or not, on one side you have a guy who worked on the stuff for a long time, on the other side you have a guy who can't figure out 90% of 545, I know whose expertise I'm siding with.....
I guessed before I checked numbers, douchebag. Maybe you missed that.


I definitely made sure I was over the limit tonight before heading home. The only thing that didn't make it was one of my chicken tenders.
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Drunk driving laws should be targeted primarily at the 16-21 age group.
Sounds like profiling to me.
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I definitely made sure I was over the limit tonight before heading home. The only thing that didn't make it was one of my chicken tenders.


any idea how much of a fucking idiot you sound like?
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i'd be all for allowing people to drive drunk if they only killed themselves.
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i'd be all for allowing people to drive drunk if they only killed themselves.
Well they mostly do, I figure it's worth the risk.


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any idea how much of a fucking idiot you sound like?

No, tell me more.
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Well they mostly do, I figure it's worth the risk.
now i know you're just trolling.
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Just drunk actually. For that matter all bad drivers can die, no matter what the cause.
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you've definitely jumped the shark now.
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Hopefully if any of your relatives are killed the other driver is sober. Have a nice night.
this is totally out of line, period.

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I guessed before I checked numbers, douchebag. Maybe you missed that.

I definitely made sure I was over the limit tonight before heading home. The only thing that didn't make it was one of my chicken tenders.
so is name calling. and was this second paragraph really necessary?

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any idea how much of a fucking idiot you sound like?
name calling is not allowed.
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