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Old 08-24-2009, 04:02 PM   #61
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I pulled the 30 out of my ass without looking, but I was close.
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Old 08-24-2009, 04:03 PM   #62
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So the passengers don't count as "others" ????

Non fatal injuries to the non-driver don't count ????

Now you're just trolling.
The passengers who willing rode with a drunk? Fuck no. The non fatal injuries to other drivers are part of the 9800, DUI is a tiny fraction of the overall number though. And there are no stats as to whether those are single vehicle crashes which only injured the drunk.
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Old 08-24-2009, 04:04 PM   #63
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The passengers who willing rode with a drunk? Fuck no.
Maybe they were drunk too. I guess they just deserved to die needlessly for that.

Is this where I put a "lol" ???
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Old 08-24-2009, 04:05 PM   #64
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The passengers who willing rode with a drunk? Fuck no.
And I'm sure you knew that they were all willing and knowing, none were kids or innocents, no of course not...

Your stats suck, your math sucks, your logic sucks, and your reasoning fails.
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It wasn't needless. Life's hard. But hey let's make some new laws and try to change their free will.
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and try to change their free will.
Wow...

I'm out.
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Old 08-24-2009, 04:09 PM   #67
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Wow...

I'm out.

Hopefully if any of your relatives are killed the other driver is sober. Have a nice night.
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Wow...

I'm out.
yup.

It's only a matter of time before the "free will" argument would have been expanded to giving the drunk driver every right to carry an unlicensed loaded semi-automatic weapon.

I'm leaving before it gets to that point.
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this thread just got surreal.
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Like I said, the dude likes to wind you up and sometimes you make it very easy for him.
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Old 08-24-2009, 04:48 PM   #72
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I'm not even trying yet. MADD has me beat by far with lying stats.
They're a pretty unreliable organisation right enough. Political correctness dictates that they are above criticism. Countering MADD is like being against moms and apple pie.
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My stance against DUI checkpoints is more left leaning than right, tyvm.
Well, more libertarian than left leaning, I would have thought.

It's interesting that no-one has actually countered the arguments in the article in detail. The idea that someone can be arrested purely on suspicion of drunk driving is certainly profoundly anti-libertarian, and it's amazing that it has become generally accepted.
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Just don't drink (or ingest drugs) and drive is a good personal philosophy to live by. If people took that personal responsibility then we wouldn't need these laws. But people don't, so we do. Not a "tyranny" that I object to, at all. Just don't do it, there's no need to. People can always stay home and drink, take cabs, get rides..all sorts of options there.
I largely agree with this. The state has been forced to regulate because of people being irresponsible. There is little or no reason to believe that people would suddenly become responsible if the drink driving legislation was done away with. For that reason I personally would not be in favour of repealing the drink driving laws.
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It's interesting that no-one has actually countered the arguments in the article.
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The idea that someone can be arrested purely on suspicion of drunk driving is certainly profoundly anti-libertarian, and it's amazing that it has become generally accepted.
Well how do you propose they prove it on the spot? And if they let them go just to run someone over 10 minutes later?
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