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Old 09-23-2009, 10:15 PM   #301
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The true danger of drinking and driving is bringing home someone like this.

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Old 09-23-2009, 10:24 PM   #302
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in 2005 i was pulled over after getting off a train because i had a tail light out. before i got on the train i had a few drinks.

my BAC was just a hair over the legal limit. if it had been 2 years earlier, my BAC would have been well below the legal limit and they would have let me go on the spot.

i was arrested by a NY State Trooper and brought to their station house... i did not have to spend any time in jail and was released within a few hours.

i had a good lawyer whom i had known most my life who just happened to have worked as an assistant DA with the Judge whom i was assigned to. because my BAC was so close to the legal limit, and because i had a good lawyer, i was able to cut a plea, dropping the DUI to a charge of DWAI (driving while ability impaired).

i served 40 hours of community service... which i did at a local state park doing manual labor. i served my last 8 hours during a blizzard, clearing snow away from some of the buildings on the boardwalk as unbelievably cold wind whipped in off the Long Island Sound.

i was suspended from a volunteer coaching position.

had to pay $500 in fines, lawyer fees (thankfully less than they would have been due to my longtime relationship with the lawyer... he was my neighbor), and another $750, payable over 3 years, in "driver assesment fees"

i had a conditional liscense for 6 months in which i could only drive to work/school. had my photo ID taken away from me during this period.

my car insurance sky rocketed... it has only just recently come back down, but is still much higher than it should have been... i had to live with my parents for much longer than i ever would have wanted to because of this. all the fines and extra fees and insurance strained my finances, hurting my credit score.



and it's all my fault. i have every reason to be bitter about it... i was barely over the limit, a limit which was just recently changed. i wasn't speeding, i wasn't swerving all over the road... i was on a straight stretch of road 10 minutes from my house, and the only reason why i was pulled over was because my taillight was out.

but i'm not... it was a stupid decision, one i regret, and one i'll never make again. i still drink, but have not and will not ever get behind the wheel of a car again after doing so... even after having just a couple. i would gladly pay the occasional obscene cab ride fare to get the thousands of dollars that i have lost in fines and increased insurance rates.

so yea... these fines and rules are a major pain in the ass. and that's the point. it was the most humiliating time of my life... one i will never go through again.

knowing how embarassing it is... how financialy deblitating it can be... if you continue to do it regardless of all that, then you need to check yourself into rehab, because you obviously can not make rational decisions when you drink.

everyone makes mistakes along the way... if you can not learn from those mistakes, then you have a problem.
Sounds like you were unlucky. Still, it's good that you learned the requisite lesson.
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Old 09-24-2009, 09:40 AM   #303
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I just don't see it as a mistake.
Part of the entitled generation. If I don't get caught, then it's not wrong...
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:23 AM   #305
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Part of the entitled generation. If I don't get caught, then it's not wrong...
I think the other part is: "If I don't think it's wrong, then it is not wrong."
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I think the other part is: "If I don't think it's wrong, then it is not wrong."
on the flipside, and im not specifically talking about drunk driving, "oh well its against 'the law' so it MUST be wrong."

like underage drinking or marijuana usage, gambling & prostitution etc etc. things that should probably be legal, and MOST people probably wouldnt mind them being legal, but arent since the powers that be think it shouldnt, for whatever reason.
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Of course you can take both points to the extreme. And you can argue the validity of many laws, the reasons behind or the structure of penality. But in the end one point remains, as long as something is illegal, you can't break the law and justify yourself by saying, "But I don't like this law/the penalty!" And those who repeatedly break laws on purpose put themselves in a very bad position to argue their validity.
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Old 09-24-2009, 02:46 PM   #309
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on the flipside, and im not specifically talking about drunk driving, "oh well its against 'the law' so it MUST be wrong."
Indeed. Or "if the government thinks it's wrong, then it must be."
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I don't think it's wrong to speed either. It's just wrong to crash. I prefer personal responsibility. I've had plenty of nights where I knew I couldn't drive, and I didn't. I've had plenty where I knew I'd be fine and I was.
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I don't think it's wrong to speed either. It's just wrong to crash. I prefer personal responsibility.
And speeding increases your likelihood of crashing, so where does "personal responsibility" come in? Where does "personal responsibilty" come in when you can't brake quick enough in order to avoid a crash?


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I've had plenty of nights where I knew I couldn't drive, and I didn't. I've had plenty where I knew I'd be fine and I was.
You joked about being impaired enough to bring home the "ugly" girl, but yet you think you have complete control over an automobile? Do you honestly think there isn't a delay in reaction time due to alcohol?
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Indeed. Or "if the government thinks it's wrong, then it must be."
This can pretty much be applied to any group. Just subsitute "government" with "conservative", "liberal", "school", "parents", etc...
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And speeding increases your likelihood of crashing, so where does "personal responsibility" come in? Where does "personal responsibilty" come in when you can't brake quick enough in order to avoid a crash?




You joked about being impaired enough to bring home the "ugly" girl, but yet you think you have complete control over an automobile? Do you honestly think there isn't a delay in reaction time due to alcohol?
Take a fucking joke. I have time to stop myself in both cases.
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Take a fucking joke.
I acknowledged that it was a joke, please re-read. But there's a reason it's a very cliched joke, because alcohol DOES impair your judgement.

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I have time to stop myself in both cases.
So says everyone until it happens.
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I've taken ugly home sober, alcohol doesn't act alone.
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