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Old 08-24-2009, 01:31 PM   #16
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so the .08 limit was just abitrarily set by the government? There is no research indicating a dangerous level of impairment at that blood alchohol level?

Because if that's the case, then yeah I agree the laws should be changed.

On the other hand if .08 indicates a level of impairment on level with drowsiness, as INDY suggested, then I think the law should stand. I've gotten drowsy while driving and some pretty scary things have almost happened.
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Old 08-24-2009, 01:34 PM   #17
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But at what blood level is alcohol impairment no worse than impairment by prescription pain or anxiety medication, over-the-counter anti-histamines or just plain old lack of sleep and fatigue?
Well some prescription drugs are already a part of this umbrella.
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Old 08-24-2009, 01:41 PM   #18
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so the .08 limit was just abitrarily set by the government? There is no research indicating a dangerous level of impairment at that blood alchohol level?

Because if that's the case, then yeah I agree the laws should be changed.

On the other hand if .08 indicates a level of impairment on level with drowsiness, as INDY suggested, then I think the law should stand. I've gotten drowsy while driving and some pretty scary things have almost happened.
Alcohol affects everyone differently

Just don't drink and drive, then it won't matter if you're .02 or .12

The government doesn't set the limit, the state does
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Old 08-24-2009, 01:45 PM   #19
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Just don't drink (or ingest drugs) and drive is a good personal philosophy to live by. If people took that personal responsibility then we wouldn't need these laws. But people don't, so we do. Not a "tyranny" that I object to, at all. Just don't do it, there's no need to. People can always stay home and drink, take cabs, get rides..all sorts of options there.
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Just don't drink (or ingest drugs) and drive is a good personal philosophy to live by. If people took that personal responsibility then we wouldn't need these laws. But people don't, so we do. Not a "tyranny" that I object to, at all. Just don't do it, there's no need to. People can always stay home and drink, take cabs, get rides..all sorts of options there.
But then there's those folks who think they drive "better" after a few drinks.
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Yes there are plenty of delusional people in this world
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Some people hold their licker differently.
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Some people hold their licker differently.

Yes-but show me one person who can be proven to drive better after a few drinks. Driving test completely sober and drug free, driving test after a few drinks-whatever those drinks are.
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I just know people that are more dangerous at .06

than other people I know - that at 1.2 would appear and drive as sober as a church mouse.
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I know, what's that all about, we should be able to drive 70 in front of a school with a bottle of Jack in our lap!!! This is the land of the free, damnitt!
i meant laws that deal with substances. obviously driving completely shitfaced 70 mph in front of a school is a danger to other people. but driving while drinking 1 beer is against the law?

well, not here in the Virgin Islands
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Personally, in the past few years I've become more worried about drivers distracted by electronic devices than those impaired by alcohol.
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^indeed.

drinking a beer while driving is a big NO NO, but driving while texting is no problem.
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^indeed.

drinking a beer while driving is a big NO NO, but driving while texting is no problem.
Umm, quite a few States have outlawed driving while texting.

And that means ALL texting, not .08 texts.
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Now that you can get a DUI on a bicycle it's obvious they've gone overboard in their need to make money.
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