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Old 09-20-2009, 08:03 PM   #226
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Personally, I like to drive my Corvette at 37 mph in the fast lane.

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Old 09-20-2009, 09:15 PM   #227
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Australia has really got mad into the political correctness in recent years. Why don't they just ban grog altogether and have done with it?
Crazy, isn't it? We enforce seatbelt laws, helmets for motorcycle and bicycle users, have intolerably low drug and alcohol laws which encompass many aspects of socialisation - such as drink driving, possession of prohibited substances, purchase restrictions of alcohol which include no consumption in public places, purchase only within certain times of the day, and overall restrictions to any intoxicated person.

I don't know how we all survive such restrictive laws.
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alcohol interlock devices are fitted here for repeat offenders and are pretty effective. they propbably will become part of cars in the future, like ABS, and airbags have become.
Too much revenue would be lost.
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Crazy, isn't it? We enforce seatbelt laws, helmets for motorcycle and bicycle users, have intolerably low drug and alcohol laws which encompass many aspects of socialisation - such as drink driving, possession of prohibited substances, purchase restrictions of alcohol which include no consumption in public places, purchase only within certain times of the day, and overall restrictions to any intoxicated person.

I don't know how we all survive such restrictive laws.
Indeed. Boiled frog analogy, etc.
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Too much revenue would be lost.
I think that's the only reason why the big government types don't lobby to ban it outright. If they were consistent, they would do this - but never expect consistency, or indeed basic integrity, from big government lobbyists and their lackies.
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Why is revenue raising such a sour point anyway? There's only one way to avoid it.
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Why is revenue raising such a sour point anyway? There's only one way to avoid it.
The fines are disproportionate to the danger.
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The fines are disproportionate to the danger.
How so? Literally, how so? They're not comparable - fines vs drink driving dangers, let alone disproportionate. Money happens to be a handy way of giving people a quick slap.
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What's consistently ignored is that driving is dangerous FULL STOP.

A large metal object careering along at 40+mph near to people is highly dangerous, FULL STOP.

Statistically, 'drink' driving is only slightly more dangerous than sober driving. And a bad, sober driver is usually more dangerous than a good, drunk one.

Incidentally, if Australia has such a tight approach regarding drink driving, and yet drink driving is still killing hundreds a year, or whatever, then it seems to me either that the policy is questionable or that the statistics are being tampered with.

The whole moral hysteria around drink driving reminds me of the debates regarding passive smoking. They never mention the dangers of fumes from automobiles - much more dangerous than passive smoking. As a non automobile owner, I demand the right to bitterly complain about the feckless, reckless automobile owners polluting my precious air.

Let's cut the bullshit hypocrisy, and ban cars, tobacco and booze and have done with it.
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Speeding kills far more people than drunk driving but the DUI fines are ten times as much.
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Old 09-20-2009, 10:12 PM   #236
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Speeding kills far more people than drunk driving but the DUI fines are ten times as much.
Which neatly vindicates one of the larger points made in the article linked to in the OP - moral hysteria has replaced rational analysis regarding justice policies in the area of road traffic.
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Speeding kills far more people than drunk driving but the DUI fines are ten times as much.
I actually don't believe that is true, at least in this jurisdiction.

If you drive 50km over the speed limit, you are liable for a fine up to $10,000 in addition to having your vehicle impounded and your licence suspended immediately.

There is no such corresponding fine for drunk driving.
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Too much revenue would be lost.
Um, they do require these by repeat offenders in many states...

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I think that's the only reason why the big government types don't lobby to ban it outright. If they were consistent, they would do this - but never expect consistency, or indeed basic integrity, from big government lobbyists and their lackies.
Ban what, alcohol outright? What are you talking about?

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The fines are disproportionate to the danger.
Not for those of us that understand the numbers.
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It doesn't make sense to justify your drunk driving argument by saying that other crimes aren't being punished enough.
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Ok, drunk driving is being punished too much.
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