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Old 03-20-2010, 08:16 AM   #1
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The Death of FYM?

Is FYM dead?
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:44 AM   #2
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I've been wondering about that myself. Could use a reboot.

What would new and improved FYM look like?
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:17 AM   #3
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I dunno. Conservative posters that can take the heat? An expansion of scope/subject material? A new U2 album? An election? A war?
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I vote for war.

Who can we start one with next? I'm thinking Belgium.
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:57 AM   #5
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Interesting idea, but I'd say: One country at a time.
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:58 AM   #6
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I've tried expanding beyond the usual scope here before, but the few threads that I start sink quickly, in favour of the usual rabble.

For all of us who complain about how the 24-hour cable news cycle has cheapened and coarsened discourse, society, as a whole--and including FYM--has allowed them to dictate the agenda. Even the "cutting edge" of news media--indie media, internet blogs and whatnot--usually spend all their time running points and counterpoints to what's being stated in the television news cycle, whether conscious or otherwise.

For what it's worth, I find I have little to say that I haven't already said ad infinitum about the usual hot button issues, while my year in Canada now has, I've found, made me less interested in discussing U.S.-specific politics (although I do keep up with it as regularly as anyone else). But, really, in how many ways can one repeat the same narratives over and over again, with no resolution in sight? "Resolution," of course, is not exactly in our purview; that responsibility belongs to our elected officials and/or our respective national and international governmental bodies. The larger question, really, is why we accept nothing getting done for years and years on end. And, as a result, here we, the people, are repeating ourselves over and over again, in vain hope for resolution... I think we're talking less about "The Death of FYM" and more about the death of imagination, as a whole. The former may certainly happen as a consequence of the latter.
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The same six threads about whatever seem to be doing a roaring trade.
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The same six threads about whatever seem to be doing a roaring trade.
With the same sick six people partaking.
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I vote for war.

Who can we start one with next? I'm thinking Belgium.
If we don't put them in their place, they'll have us by the balls and increase waffle prices at their leisure. AMERICA!
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:12 PM   #10
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I do think that FYM has become boring. It is the same topics with the same people arguing over the same issue over and over again.

I'm not sure how to spice up. There have been some topics I wanted to post threads about, but I was concerned about them being completely derailed.
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I'm sick of the political topics. I liked the topics that MrsS would post, more "current events" type things.
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Old 03-21-2010, 05:46 AM   #12
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The 'moral panic of the week' type discussions (often fed by cable news I guess) do seem to poison the well after a while. Everyone's an instant expert, gets hot and bothered about the moral panic of the week, the matter is tabled for further study, and, often, if we are really really lucky, never heard of again.
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it might not be dead, but it does feel as if it's run it's course.
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Old 03-21-2010, 01:13 PM   #14
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So, do we accept new members properly? Do they have to pass a test? Are we fair and unbalanced?

Are there other angles we are missing? Cultures, backgrounds, religions, personalities that would help with the reboot?
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Old 03-21-2010, 01:46 PM   #15
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Not that I was ever a really active member in FYM, but I've stopped checking out the threads as often as I used to. They always seem to devolve into page after page of bickering contests between a few people. It got old really fast. It seems that people post on FYM with the intention of getting into heated arguments. Look at the titles of the top threads on the page at the moment. Its like they're designed to start an argument with 'the other side' that cant possibly reach any conclusion. And the attitude of the posters seems to change once you enter FYM. People turn mean in here really fast, whereas anywhere outside FYM, they can be really cool people (some are still assholes though ). It might help if everyone just remembers that FYM discussions dont always have to be about arguing. Post a cool science video. Post a cool religion video. Post a cool TED talk. Something that doesnt take the stance of 'we're right, they're wrong'. Sure, it probably wont be a 1000 reply thread, but would be a whole lot more interesting than what goes on in here at the moment. Just my 2¢
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I dunno. Conservative posters that can take the heat? An expansion of scope/subject material? A new U2 album? An election? A war?
I think there is some truth to all of this.

Interference as a whole feels somewhat dead these days, with the exception of a few areas, so a new album or the start of the tour may spark things up.

An election definately would but those usually bring in drive by posters that never return again once the election is over.

I think if we're all honest here we know this place is pretty heavy sided, I think that's just natural given what band this is, so it takes a little bit of a stronger person to be the minority. You have to be prepared to bring a little more information to the table, a little more stats, a little more logic when you are the minority voice, and you have to have slightly thicker skin. Just the nature of such debate.
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People who post things deliberately trying to get a rise out of other posters aren't helping things.

Maybe they could stop that, and maybe people could stop constantly giving them the satisfaction of rising to the bait.
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Old 03-21-2010, 02:45 PM   #18
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People turn mean in here really fast, whereas anywhere outside FYM, they can be really cool people (some are still assholes though ). ¢
Your entire post hit the nail on the head, but this line stood out to me!!

Not the least of the reasons why is it describes me, too. When I see something I think is b.s. or outrageous or a lie, etc I have a tendency to get upset and respond aggressively out of frustration. Then they reply, and the familiar bickering contest ensues. I have said some pretty nasty things I am not proud of in the least bit, especially considering the fact that I am the furthest thing from argumentative in real life. In fact, if someone disagrees with me on politics in person, I will often make a couple good natured points and then quickly say "you'll agree with me that neither party really represents the people or the best interests of the country right now." Always works to end an argument.

As psychotic/crazy/in denial it sounds of me, I ALWAYS regret venturing into FYM, never mind getting in arguments. I have had about 3 spurts of posting in FYM since I joined a little over 2 years ago, the most recent of which just ended. I always post in FYM in spurts, I am not a card carrying member or a coffee counter regular so to speak. It always tends to be when U2 related news is slow.

Here is my very broad, general take on FYM for what it is worth:

I agree with others, if threads were structured more to provoke discussion on issues and their merits and less on arguments over who is right, that would be a plus. However, as plenty have pointed out, give it 2 or 3 pages tops and these threads get derailed into the usual arguments. Doesn't have to be relevant, someone pushing their agenda will find a way to bring it up.

There are some great posters on here, from all ends of the spectrum, who genuinely care about and know the issues and want to discuss them on their merits. They are unfortunately the exception in most discussions. I think generally, keeping in mind that generalizations are what they are of course, the problem with substance is this:

Conservatives will not even discuss the issues on their merits. They have to continually repeat flat out lies about Obama being a socialist or wanting a government takeover of health care or "coddling terrorists" etc. One poster even continues to insist that Iraq posed a threat to the US even after Bush has admitted they didn't and all objective evidence says they didn't. The same poster still tries to say Bush did better on the debt situation than Clinton. Neither are true. A reasonable conservative not taught by Beck and Limbaugh would argue why they thought Bush was misled or why they thought his economic policies were given undue blame, etc. These people continue to think they can have their own set of facts.

This is the problem with conservatives, they twist an issue into a complete lie and repeat it, and they think that is how to respond to facts. I have not seen one post from the opposition to Obama over an actual issue of substance, just accusations of socialism and government takeover and slapping terrorists on the wrist. Not one discussion on the merits of actual provisions of the health care bill, etc. I am more than willing to have that discussion, it is when nonsense talking points keep getting repeated that I flip out.

Liberals will often post something and then instead of calling out those who disagree with them on the facts, they start yelling "racist" or "sexist" or "homophobe" and just roll their eyes. They will often think that laughing or rolling their eyes or not taking the accusations of conservatives seriously will make them go away, but really, all it does is perpuate the perception that liberals are programmed by MSNBC talking heads and blogs. If you don't respond to socialism accusations, then the other side will think that you agree- Obama is a socialist, and that it is ok.

In short, liberals often think that their majority on FYM allows them to gain support for their arguments based on perceptions about Bush/Cheney or Republicans. They will often point out how Bush was a joke, a liar, etc but will not tell us why, factually.

Keep in mind, I am just generalizing, I realize that thousands of people post here, but the people who argue all the time are really ultimately 2 people:

1.)Conservative- The Limbaugh, lie and repeat, lie and repeat, repeat again and when faced with facts, change the subject entirely into something about the "liberals."

2.)Liberal-The "I insist on 100% agreement with Rachel Maddow or party interest groups on everything" crowd. There was an entire thread dedicated to how horrible it was for Obama to let Rick Warren give the invocation at the inaguration. I have also been in numerous discussions with liberals who will not see anything at all organized labor does as harmful, particularly with respect to teachers' unions. These people think that because more on here generally agree with them, that they can implement some kind of ideological or interest group check list for other posters who lean that way. These are the same people that are heavy on accusations about the other side, heavy on use of negative perceptions about the other side and light on facts.

The Democratic Party is a big place, but the posters here seem to think that those marching in the gay pride parade(who I have no problem with, btw) or protesting the war or holding the union sign are the only ones you need to appeal to. Some guy that does not belong to the ACLU or donate to the Sierra club is out there, he is not a tea bagger either, does not watch MSNBC or Fox, but HE VOTES. He and his wife were who put Obama in office, the base is not enough for either party.

Hell, I criticized Hillary and Obama in the primaries and someone came back at me telling me that how dare I think there is no difference between the parties and that I would be sorry if I voted Republican. Of course, this person had no idea that the 1st thing I did on my 18th birthday was register to vote as a Democrat, and I have never missed an election and was well aware of that person's point. It was just that I liked Biden and Richardson best, which was a CARDINAL SIN in FYM.

So one side's talking points feeds the other side's and we go round and round with very little substantive discussion, which by the way, is frowned upon on FYM. I have been accused of being a rambling incoherent fool for actually addressing every baseless accusation leveled at my arguments with facts.

Safe to say, I have no idea why I have my phases of wasting my time here. I guess I am now used to spending too much time on the blue crack from U2 discussions. So when U2 news gets slow, I still need to spend too much time here so I go to FYM.

It is a habit that I have kicked for the time being. I can still read all the news I want, analyze it myself, and form my opinions. I really do not need a bunch of strangers who usually have no interest in actually discussing issues to validate my viewpoints on a message board.

Enough goes on in life that is far more important than arguing in circles on message boards. My life or anyone else's life will not be any different tomorrow because something was posted or not posted in FYM. No one loses their job based on what happens in FYM, no one dies of cancer, no one gets killed in a car accident, no one's parent died, no natural disaster happened, etc. In the grand scheme of things, it is just not that important. If FYM is truly dead, then I will be very happy to continue discussing U2 and U2 only on here! They are at least relevant to things in my life, in addition to being people who bring others together, bridge divides and do good in the world.

And I will read this post every time in the future that I consider coming back in here!
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People who post things deliberately trying to get a rise out of other posters aren't helping things.

Maybe they could stop that, and maybe people could stop constantly giving them the satisfaction of rising to the bait.
But that would eliminate 75% of the posts in here.



Though in all seriousness, you've nailed the main problem as far as I'm concerned. There's very little actual discussion here, but a whole lot of talking at people - and God forbid anyone let something objectionable/questionable/inaccurate get posted without a vehement rebuttal. I doubt these arguments would be so antagonistic if we were having them in person. Though it's much easier to cut someone off or cut someone down when we don't have to deal with them in person.
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Yes, it is dead for me. It was fun while it lasted though.
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