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Old 11-24-2009, 03:03 PM   #16
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incidentally, the only time it was ever applied to me it actually worked out in my favour - i did better in french than my result suggested.

still idiotic.
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What I am getting at I think is that I am trying to promote a cultural shift in the thinking some teachers are clinging to. EVERY kid should make it. The Bell Curve in its perfection, leads to a stagnant, hey, my test results look like a bell curve, and I clearly taught it because some kids got it.

I think assessment is a reflection of the delivery of content as much as it is student performance. If the goal is to teach ALL students to learn the skill, then the goal should be to use assessments to improve instruction so that we reach all students. The Bell Curve is contrary to that!
just for clarification: are you talking about grading on a curve, i.e. if the highest grade of the class is a 92 it becomes a 100 and all other students bump up 8 points (or something similar); or, are you talking about test results simply conforming to a normal distribution?

there seems to be some confusion.
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Old 11-24-2009, 04:21 PM   #18
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It's basically the same here in Holland. Students seem the cause of the bad grades, never on earth could it be that the cause lies within professors/teachers! *gasp*

But seriously, is that standard still used a lot then, nowadays?
Oh no, there cannot possibly be a professor who just cannot teach at all or doesn't manage to get the amount of questions such that a student can possibly answer all questions diligently in the allocated three hours. No, the students are too stupid/slow whatever.

One teacher for labour law, who did a really piss poor job and a ridiculously unfair exam (if you by accident read the right book you could answer the cases correctly. If you just relied on the law book you didn't and couldn't know the right answers), and thus also received really bad reviews now is a professor.

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incidentally, the only time it was ever applied to me it actually worked out in my favour - i did better in french than my result suggested.

still idiotic.
Yes, doesn't it just go to show how stupid that is? "Hey, you barely got a correct sentence out, and I didn't see any use of grammar there, but since you did better than any other student your language skills are perfect." (Not you, but that could be the outcome.)
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I've never had a teacher or professor grade on a bell curve :knock on wood:
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Yes, doesn't it just go to show how stupid that is? "Hey, you barely got a correct sentence out, and I didn't see any use of grammar there, but since you did better than any other student your language skills are perfect." (Not you, but that could be the outcome.)
oh no, i was that bad - it just bumped me up from barely passing to passing a little bit better.

there were many people better than me too. it doesn't make a bit of sense.
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Cool, I could've used it in my Danish classes then.
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