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Old 04-17-2012, 01:34 PM   #121
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It was founded after the first crusades to protect pilgrims on their passage to Jerusalem and Konstantinopel. It was totally Catholic, until it became too powerful and were brought down by the French King Philipp IV. and then-Pope Clement II.

And it's true, the Nazis didn't use a fist, all fingers were spread out. Breivik frequently mentions the templars and even has pictures of himself in a fake templar costume and photomontages with him among other templars. It's his favourite imagery.

There've been two psychiatric expertises produced, both more than 300 pages long and with contrary findings. I guess this gives you an idea how complex it can be to determine one's sanity. Some might feel inclined to suggest that the second examination was written to please the public (there was a great amount of outrage when he was found to be insane and not able to be brought before a court), but from what I've heard and read they are pretty well established.
Yep that's what I was gearing at. Though Breivik claims there's a new Templar movement, no proof has been found of any existing network. Quite safe to say he's obsessed with them.

It's quite interesting how those two psychiatric tests both came out with quite different results. He himself claims he's not insane. He wants to go to jail. So that sounds pretty insane to me.
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If conservatives such as himself could change policies to prevent immigration ''by executing 70 people, that will contribute to upholding our values and culture and will help prevent civil war in Norway in the future and prevent further people from dying''.



If that's not insanity, I don't know what is.
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Old 04-18-2012, 04:22 AM   #123
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It sure sounds like it.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:58 AM   #125
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Yuk, I have no words for how disgusting Glen Beck is. Of what I've read he has had had political camps aimed at youths himself.

I hope Breivik won't be deemed insane because that would take attention away from that ideology of his.
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Anders Breivik: 40,000 Norwegians mock killer with 'Marxist' song, with video

I found this very moving.
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Norway's response to Breivik and his crime has been truly admirable. No mob mentality, just a clear, civilized response that allows Breivik his rantings and then proves him wrong at every step.

LOVE the idea of 40,000 joining together in solidarity to sing.
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Norway's response to Breivik and his crime has been truly admirable. No mob mentality, just a clear, civilized response that allows Breivik his rantings and then proves him wrong at every step.

LOVE the idea of 40,000 joining together in solidarity to sing.
Well, that's not completely true. The Norwegian media have worked hard to show Breivik as a pathetic looser, they know he's allowed to follow the news. Problem is that in they eagerness to ridicule Breivik they also ridicule all of those who aren't terrorists but share some of his characteristics or failures. The media ridicule him for things like "not being able to park a car properly" and "failing in business", something that many others can recognize themselves in + a lot of other characteristics.

One of our biggest newspaper, VG, had a huge photo of Breivik on the front-page which was covered with the words "Look at me" over and over. This only tells me that VG has no serious standard left, no better than The Daily Mail.

The singing started after Breivik had criticized the song, it seemed like the singing was more an act of "he provoked us, let's provoke back."

I feel safe in a socialist society and vote AP but I have no problem understanding the frustration of right-wings now that their opinions are being seen as less legit after ABB.
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Heh, I liked that.

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I feel safe in a socialist society and vote AP but I have no problem understanding the frustration of right-wings now that their opinions are being seen as less legit after ABB.
Um ... aren't you guys social-democratic to some degree?
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Heh, I liked that.



Um ... aren't you guys social-democratic to some degree?
Yes, although there are disagreements about where some parties stand, some even call Norway for a communist state. Socialist from what I learned is just a wide term covering everything left, like social-democratic or communism.

Socialist is a curse word for many right-wings here, just like the word "conservative" is for me. I wouldn't use the term on every right-wing though.

A US resident friend of mine said there's hardly any difference between a liberal and a conservative.
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Yes, although there are disagreements about where some parties stand, some even call Norway for a communist state. Socialist from what I learned is just a wide term covering everything left, like social-democratic or communism.
Haha, that's unsurprisingly crazy and silly. It's a shame that many people are unable to make a distinction from say, socialism and social-democracy.
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Haha, that's unsurprisingly crazy and silly. It's a shame that many people are unable to make a distinction from say, socialism and social-democracy.
As I said, from what I learned the word "socialism" can be used as a umbrella-term, there are variations of political views under that term.
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Well, a socialist wants to overcome capitalism, while a social-democrat dreams of making capitalism more fair for everyone.
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Well, a socialist wants to overcome capitalism, while a social-democrat dreams of making capitalism more fair for everyone.
There are some industries that are very protected in Norway, they survive on economical support from the state. Our art and film-industry and farmers are surviving on subsidies. Shamefully our government subsidized the fur-industry too.

Can this be called fair? Good thing is that it keeps a lot of people employed. On the other hand, in an attempt to protect local producers the import-tax is a killer. No good for Norwegian customers that doesn't always find what they're looking for among Norwegian products.

This thread has lost it's track.

The worst news about ABB these days is that he's able to have contact with others who have the same mindset.

Why on earth is he allowed that?! It's disturbing.
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Yes, it leads away from the topic, so just in short: What is fair is a very philosophical question and one social-democrats, just as anyone, have often struggled with. And subsidies and protection of industries are common aspects of economic policy.

I guess they are trying to maintain the same rights for him as for anyone else. Which sometimes is a bit hard to swallow. And maybe a little risky as well.
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