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Old 07-23-2011, 02:19 PM   #31
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First news yesterday speculated it might be Islamic terrorism. Today they found out the guy was part of the Norwegian Nazi scene, in fact, anti-Islamic. It's a terrible thing to think that the young people had no real chance to escape, because it all happened on an island. Shocking to wake up to the news of so many people having lost their lives. A sad day indeed
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:41 PM   #32
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It's been hard to not focus on the news since this happened. I keep switching on the news channels to check if there's some new information. My family and friends are all accounted for thankfully. My sister's friend had been on the island and managed to escape. A friend of mine had been in the centre of Oslo, he posted from his phone wondering what the Hell was going on, writing that there was smell of smoke and blood. He didn't fully understand it until he turned on the news after returning home.

That bastard who did this called himself a nationalist and had a hatred towards the Labour Party's youth wing, calling them the Stoltenberg-jugend, Stoltenberg is the party leader and our Prime Minister.
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:55 PM   #33
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^ So sorry to hear about your friend and your sister's friend, but also good to hear that they are safe

A sad day for the country of Norway, it's such a beautiful and peaceful place.
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Old 07-23-2011, 03:05 PM   #34
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AGirlLikeTheSea, thanks for sharing your personal story. Our symapthies go to you in Norway today.

The island shooting does make a valid case for SWAT teams and armed response units.
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Old 07-23-2011, 04:17 PM   #35
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Thank you Canedge and Last unicorn. It just feels unreal and I guess security in Norway will increase like in other countries after this. I'm reading on a lot of Norwegian blogs and debate-forums and sadly there are a lot of extreme political uttering, this guy used to write on a site called Document.no which is a Islam critical forum. He wrote a long comment against hate-ideologies which he included Islam, Nazism and Marxism, claiming someone calling themselves moderate could easily turn to extremist thinking. What irony when he himself is an extremist, he of course not being aware of that himself that psycho.
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So very sad & most tragic
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This day will haunt Norway and and define a generation. Hopefully some healing will bring positivity.
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I can't even think of words for this tragedy...

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If the guy is convicted.

He will do some serious time.

21 years, the maximum.
Is this for real? Cunt should be tortured until he dies.
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I have just finished reading through what appears to be the 1,518-page manifesto and handbook of the alleged perpetrator of the worst terrorist attack in Norwegian history.

The manifesto, bylined by someone calling himself Andrew Berwick, is entitled "2083: A European Declaration of Independence" and was posted on Stormfront.org, a white supremacist website, and discovered by American blogger Kevin I. Slaughter. [UPDATE: Norwegian TV has confirmed that the author is indeed the Oslo shooter, according to the New York Times.]

In it, "Berwick" declares himself a "Justiciar Knight Commander," a leading member of a "re-founded" Knights Templar group formed at an April 2002 meeting in London. He claims the founding group has 9 members, whom he does not name, and that three other sympathizers were not able to attend the original meeting.

"Our purpose," the document reads, is to "seize political and military control of Western European countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda." In grim, apocalyptic language, it advocates attacks on "traitors" across Europe who are supposedly enabling a Muslim takeover of the continent. "[W]e should…not exceed (per 2010) aprox. 45,000 dead and 1 million wounded cultural Marxists/multiculturalists in Western Europe," the author writes. "The time for dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed resistance has come." The manifesto also provides detailed instructions for everything from making a bomb to raising funds to preparing physically and mentally for what the author describes as a coming three-stage "civil war" between patriotic nationalists and "multiculturalists" who are, wittingly or not, destroying European civilization.

Filled with hateful rantings against Muslims--whom the author claims are on a trajectory to take over Europe and erase its culture patrimony--the writing bears a great resemblence to online comments attributed to Anders Breivik, 32, the confessed perpetrator of a massacre that has so far claimed nearly 100 lives. The author also claims to be Norwegian, and says that English is not his native language. And at the bottom of the document are several pictures of Breivick in different outfits, including the frogman costume pictured above. Most suggestive of all, perhaps, is the detailed diary the author kept of his 82-day attempt to secretly build a fertilizer bomb while hiding out at a farm purchased explicitly for that purpose--chronicling his attempts to construct a device that would kill as many people as possible.
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Oddly, despite his evident hatred of Muslims and Arabs, "Berwick" professes admiration for al Qaeda, which he lists as one of only two "successful militant organisations" due to its "superior structural adaptation." "If Muhammad was alive today," he writes, "Usama Bin Laden would have been his second in command." Elsewhere, he cites al Qaeda's training manual as a reference, and declares, "Just like Jihadi warriors are the plum tree of the Ummah, we will be the plum tree for Europe and for Christianity."

In another eerie parallel, he also calls for suicidal operations in service of the larger cause: "Let us be perfectly clear; if you are unwilling to martyr yourself for the cause, then the PCCTS, Knights Templar is not for you." (PCCTS, he explains, stands for "Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici" or, in English, "Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon.")


Chillingly, the manifesto ends:

I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51.

Sincere regards,
Andrew Berwick
Justiciar Knight Commander
Knights Templar Europe
Knights Templar Norway
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I find it very ironic and very sad that a country that condemms us for our fight against terrorism and has openly called for a boycott against Israel has itself become a victim of terrorism.

Also, I read in the paper that the day before this attack, there was a "seminar" at the youth camp that dealt with the boycott on Israel and, in fact, one of the eyewitnesses said that when this bastard started shooting they thought it was a simulation of some of the "brutal tactics" of the "Israeli occupation".....

So while I truly grieve for the innocent lives lost in this monsterous attack, and condemm it without any reservation - and hope that this bastard gets the just punishment that he deserves on earth (as well as in the next world), I would suggest that the Norweigen government starts looking in their own backyards for brutality rather than in countries that are simply defending themselves against the very same terrorism that they are now experiencing.

I send my very sincerest condolences to the people of Norway and to my Norweigen friends on FYM - you did not deserve this!
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I find it very ironic and very sad that a country that condemms us for our fight against terrorism and has openly called for a boycott against Israel has itself become a victim of terrorism.

Also, I read in the paper that the day before this attack, there was a "seminar" at the youth camp that dealt with the boycott on Israel and, in fact, one of the eyewitnesses said that when this bastard started shooting they thought it was a simulation of some of the "brutal tactics" of the "Israeli occupation".....

So while I truly grieve for the innocent lives lost in this monsterous attack, and condemm it without any reservation - and hope that this bastard gets the just punishment that he deserves on earth (as well as in the next world), I would suggest that the Norweigen government starts looking in their own backyards for brutality rather than in countries that are simply defending themselves against the very same terrorism that they are now experiencing.
Maybe we can have a rational discussion about this without filtering it through your, uh, uniquely right-wing, militaristic Israeli world view?
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Old 07-24-2011, 08:13 AM   #42
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I find it very ironic and very sad that a country that condemms us for our fight against terrorism and has openly called for a boycott against Israel has itself become a victim of terrorism.

Also, I read in the paper that the day before this attack, there was a "seminar" at the youth camp that dealt with the boycott on Israel and, in fact, one of the eyewitnesses said that when this bastard started shooting they thought it was a simulation of some of the "brutal tactics" of the "Israeli occupation".....

So while I truly grieve for the innocent lives lost in this monsterous attack, and condemm it without any reservation - and hope that this bastard gets the just punishment that he deserves on earth (as well as in the next world), I would suggest that the Norweigen government starts looking in their own backyards for brutality rather than in countries that are simply defending themselves against the very same terrorism that they are now experiencing.

I send my very sincerest condolences to the people of Norway and to my Norweigen friends on FYM - you did not deserve this!
Of what I read both Palestinians and Israeli sides keeps the conflict going and have both done some nasty actions. I don't know why the Norwegian Labour Party strongly supports only Palestine. The arguments I've heard from Pro-Palestine activists is that Israel has a stronger military and are therefore slaughtering Palestinians.
The town I live in Tromsø has a status as City of Friendship with Palestine, I was hired to edit a video of a support arrangement to Palestine but it was impossible for me because I didn't agree with the anti-Israel & Pro-Palestine views. If there ever was a equally levelled debate about this issue under the arrangement, then it wasn't filmed by those I worked for.
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Of what I read both Palestinians and Israeli sides keeps the conflict going and have both done some nasty actions. I don't know why the Norwegian Labour Party strongly supports only Palestine. The arguments I've heard from Pro-Palestine activists is that Israel has a stronger military and are therefore slaughtering Palestinians.
The town I live in Tromsø has a status as City of Friendship with Palestine, I was hired to edit a video of a support arrangement to Palestine but it was impossible for me because I didn't agree with the anti-Israel & Pro-Palestine views. If there ever was a equally levelled debate about this issue under the arrangement, then it wasn't filmed by those I worked for.
I thank you for your fairness and, again, I'm so very sorry that this horrible tragedy occured. I'm very glad that you and your loved ones are safe.

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It's been a while since the world was reminded that blonde haired blue eyed white people can be just as evil as the next guy.
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It's been a while since the world was reminded that blonde haired blue eyed white people can be just as evil as the next guy.
An unfortunate, but necessary reminder.
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