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Old 05-01-2012, 04:29 PM   #136
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Bit of a sideshow but

Haaretz, Apr. 30
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Johan Galtung, Norwegian sociologist nicknamed the “father of peace studies,” made anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli remarks while lecturing at the University of Oslo, in an article published afterward in the Norwegian press and in an interview with Haaretz that followed. Among other statements, Galtung claimed that a possible connection exists between the terrorist responsible for the massacre of children in Norway last summer, and the Mossad. “The Jews control US media, and divert for the sake of Israel,” wrote Galtung in an article published in Norway. He pointed out that one of the factors behind the anti-Semitic sentiment that led to Auschwitz was the fact that Jews held influential positions in German society. Galtung also recommended reading “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” one of the most popular anti-Semitic texts in the world.

Professor Galtung, 82-years-old, is one of the founders of the discipline called “Peace Studies and Conflict Resolution,” as well as a founder of the international Peace Research Institute in Oslo. He is considered well-respected sociological researcher, has been awarded many prizes, and is the author of over a thousand articles and over a hundred books. Some of his work has also been translated into Hebrew. Galtung’s repeated anti-Semitic remarks were exposed by the website of the Norwegian periodical, “Humanist.” (here & here) Some of the comments were made during a lecture at the University of Oslo last summer, and others were written by Galtung in response to an article critical of him that was published in the periodical. Among other claims, Galtung stated that there is a possible link between Anders Behring Breivik, responsible for massacring dozens of children in Norway last summer, and Jewish and Israeli factions. The connection is supposedly based on the fact that the murderer has ties to the “Freemasons” organization, “which has Jewish origins,” according to Galtung. The supposed connection to Israel is through the Mossad--which Galtung believes might have given Breivik his orders.

...“Six Jewish companies control 96% of the media,” wrote Galtung. He included the names of journalists, publishers, TV networks, and movie studios, that he claims are controlled by Jews. Media mogul Rupert Murdoch was also included on the list. “He’s not Jewish, but many of the people under him are,” wrote Galtung, in reference to Murdoch. “Many of them are fanatically pro-Israel,” he pointed out. Immediately following these claims, Galtung wrote that “70% of the professors at the 20 most important American universities are Jewish.” Galtung bases his doctrine on an article written by William Luther Pierce, founder of the “National Alliance,” a white supremacist organization...Galtung also held an open forum discussion concerning the contents of the book “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” one of the most quoted anti-Semitic works around the world. “I wonder how many people with such strong opinions on the book have even read it,” he wrote. “It is impossible to do so today without thinking of Goldman Sachs,” he added.
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Old 05-04-2012, 08:24 PM   #137
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I can't see that Breivik fits the character of a paranoid schizophrenic - probably more likely a sociopath - whether sociopaths are necessarily insane is debatable.

You know, it's not an extremist point of view to find the idea of political summer school camps for teenagers, frankly, vaguely creepy. It's not extremist to have reservations about mass immigration from Muslim countries into Europe. If holding such points of view makes one by default an extremist, I'm probably a neo-Nazi myself. But the thing about Breivik is that his actions were so totally and utterly disproportionate to his perceived grievances that we must venture into the domain of psychopathology to seek to explain them. From an interview with the author JG Ballard a few years ago:

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JB: In Millennium People, you make the point that the middle-class revolution in Chelsea Marina will become part of the "folkloric calendar... to be celebrated along with the last night of the Proms and the Wimbledon tennis fortnight." If revolution is inevitably repackaged, then where does it leave us? Can art ever be a vehicle for political change?

JGB: The revolutions that are repackaged tend to be pseudo-revolutions, or those that were media events in the first place. The destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11 has not yet been repackaged into something with more consumer appeal, I notice. Another revolutionary event, the assassination of JFK, was rapidly defused by the intense media coverage, the endless replaying of the Zapruder film, and the vast proliferation of conspiracy theories. But Kennedy was himself largely a media construct, with an emotional appeal that was as calculated as any advertising campaign. His life and death were both complete fictions, or very nearly. A real revolution, as 9/11 was in its way, will always come out of some unexpected corner of the sky.

The point about the middle-class revolution in Millennium People is that it was pointless, that it failed. For all their efforts to throw off their chains, the revolution achieved nothing, and the rebels returned to Chelsea Marina, resuming their former lives, even more docile than before. What I'm arguing in MP is that in our totally pacified world the only acts that will have any significance at all will be acts of meaningless violence. Already we have seen signs of this - random shootings, the lack of motive for Jill Dando's murder, suicide bombings that achieve nothing, as in Israel. As MP tries to show, even a political revolution may be pointless. All this, it seems to me, means that the main danger in the future will not be from terrorist acts that advance a cause, however wrong-headed, but from terrorist acts without any cause at all. Dr Gould in MP articulates all this more fluently than I can. I agree with him.
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Applying this to Breivik's actions, looking for a motive or explanation outside of psychopathology is rather pointless. Sure, he has provided his 'rationale', such as it is, but that is surely just a delusion he has invented to explain to himself what he has done. He committed those appalling acts simply because he could, no more and no less, and he wasn't destined for any greatness or notoriety in any other sphere of life than terrorism.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:50 PM   #138
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Norway killer Anders Breivik ruled sane, given 21-year prison term - CNN.com

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Oslo, Norway (CNN) -- Anders Behring Breivik, the man who killed 77 people in a bomb attack and gun rampage just over a year ago, was judged to be sane by a Norwegian court Friday, as he was sentenced to 21 years in prison.

The issue of Breivik's sanity, on which mental health experts have given conflicting opinions, was central to the court's ruling.

He was sentenced to the maximum possible term of 21 years and was ordered to serve a minimum of 10 years in prison.

The sentence could be extended, potentially indefinitely, in the future if he is considered still to pose a threat to society. Norway does not have the death penalty.

He has been held in a "particularly high security" wing of Ila Prison since his detention immediately after the killings.

Over the past year, Breivik has had three cells for his use, one for physical exercise and another for reading and writing, as well as a separate outdoor exercise space, he said. Breivik cannot mix with prisoners from other wings, but does have contact with prison staff.

"As of now, we think there is a need to subject Mr. Behring Breivik to a particularly high security regime," Bjarkeid said.

The high security regime "puts a heavy strain on an inmate, especially if it lasts for a longer period," he added, so Breivik's continued detention under these conditions will be kept under constant review.
Yes, we wouldn't want to cause the killer of 77 innocents incarcerated guest of the state any undue "heavy strain."
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:54 PM   #139
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He didn't really get 21 years - that is simply the maximum permissible under Norwegian law with the stipulation that the sentence can be extended indefinitely if he is considered to be an ongoing danger to society. It's essentially a life sentence with mandatory parole consideration at 21 yrs.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:11 PM   #140
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Maybe, but I bet I'm more confident that Tim McVeigh will never again walk the earth as a free man than you are that Anders Breivik will never leave his three cell condominium prison.
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Never one to miss an opportunity to sneer at those pansy Europeans, huh. . .

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Old 08-27-2012, 10:21 PM   #142
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Actually I never miss an opportunity to advance the death penalty as a just, moral and final punishment in certain cases.
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Old 08-27-2012, 10:25 PM   #143
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Why do you feel it's moral to kill someone? I think murder is wrong no matter what the situation. Of course my emotions can make me feel like someone should be killed (especially if someone I love has been hurt or taken). But I figured a biblical person as yourself would see killing in any form to be immoral.

Tough to be told killing is wrong in a state society when the state can do the very thing we're told not to
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Old 08-27-2012, 10:28 PM   #144
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Actually I never miss an opportunity to advance the death penalty as a just, moral and final punishment in certain cases.
Erm...this is Norway and they have their own laws. I doubt very much any Norwegian would appreciate it if someone from another country told them how to govern themselves.

I just think as an American, you should bring up an American case to discuss the death penalty.
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I still find it amusing how someone who's often so worried about instances where any government can wield too much power seems to be totally okay with the idea of that same governement being in the business of killing people, if not on a regular basis, then every so often. Call me crazy, but I'd say that's a pretty big use of power, and one that's not without its share of imperfect moments, to put it mildly.

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He didn't really get 21 years - that is simply the maximum permissible under Norwegian law with the stipulation that the sentence can be extended indefinitely if he is considered to be an ongoing danger to society. It's essentially a life sentence with mandatory parole consideration at 21 yrs.
If that's the case, then that's fine with me. Let him sit there and be denied his chance to ever walk free again.
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Actually I never miss an opportunity to advance the death penalty as a just, moral and final punishment in certain cases.

Lots of dead, innocent, poor people agree with you on that final part.
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Lots of dead, innocent, poor people agree with you on that final part.
You're talking about the victims of executed killers I presume.
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You're talking about the victims of executed killers I presume.

Yes, because everyone believes the government should facilitate bloodlust regardless of the fallibility of the justice system.
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I agree with INDY that I'd have liked to see Breivik put to death. But obviously that punishment is not available in Norway, which is fine, but let's hope in 21 years that gets extended indefinitely.

Not sure how a man who goes on a murderous rampage fueled by extreme right-wing propaganda can be called sane though.
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Actually I never miss an opportunity to advance the death penalty as a just, moral and final punishment in certain cases.
How well is that working out for you guys, by the way?
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