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Old 06-19-2008, 04:28 PM   #46
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At the point though where you've got a whole group of early-teen girls making a pact to get pregnant--even if that means resorting to the services of some "24-year-old homeless guy"--and celebrating their positive pregnancy tests with "high fives and plans for baby showers," then surely there are deeper problems than just fear or ignorance of contraception going on (assuming that applies to these particular girls and their families to begin with). What startles me most about the idea of wanting a baby at that age "so someone will love me unconditionally"--not that I haven't heard that rationale before--is how narcissistic it is; that's more like an 8-year-old's way of envisioning adulthood ("The whole world will revolve around and look up to me!"). The article doesn't tell you anything about the individual girls' lives and families, so there's no way to know what might've led to their thinking like that--no faith in a better economic future could certainly be part of it, but so could literal or figurative father abandonment, invasive or permissive or defeatist mothers they don't respect, lack of involvement in the kinds of school and community activities that develop goal-orientedness and the gratification of being part of something greater than yourself...all kinds of things. I'm sure a few of them will ultimately rise to the challenge by growing up, taking responsibility for their own futures, and raising their children to do the same, but for the time being those babies are going to be starting off life on shaky ground.
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Old 06-20-2008, 09:25 PM   #47
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I couldn't believe that when I read it. How lonely - or angry or whatever - are these girls to think that a baby would fulfill all their emotional needs?
When I read the article I was like, "Yes, and. . ." How sad is that? Teen pregnancy at the school I teach at is through the roof. Last school year my co-worker had 12 pregnant girls in his classes. 12 girls in one year! He taught most mostly juniors (US History). This year we had a freshman who had 2 children. She had to repeat 8th grade b/c of it.

I hear the same things about having someone to love/having someone love them. Martha is right about the parenting.
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Last school year my co-worker had 12 pregnant girls in his classes. 12 girls in one year! He taught most mostly juniors (US History). This year we had a freshman who had 2 children. She had to repeat 8th grade b/c of it.
Good lord When I was a kid ONE pregnant girl at our school was a huge deal.
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I've never heard of pregnancy pacts.
me either (another thing we missed out on)



Do pledges work?

What works ?


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and some homeless men
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Old 06-21-2008, 04:22 PM   #50
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I think there were maybe 8 to 10 pregnant girls at my high school in Mississippi in the late '80s (there were only about 300 kids in the whole school). I have no idea what the rate in that area would be like now; I know it's down a little, but still one of the highest in the country. The racial and religious demographics would be very different from Gloucester, MA, though it sounds from the Time article like they have in common a high poverty rate and a high single-parent-household rate.
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Now the mayor of Gloucester is saying that there is no evidence of any pregnancy pact, that the principal's memory is "foggy" or that there may have been just a pact of solidarity of some sort after they were already pregnant. Who knows what the truth is.

Associated Press / June 23, 2008

GLOUCESTER - School counselors, teachers, and the families of pregnant students have no information to support a principal's allegation that the girls made a pact to get pregnant, the mayor of Gloucester said yesterday.

Mayor Carolyn Kirk plans to meet today with school, health, and other officials after Joseph Sullivan, principal of Gloucester High School, was quoted by Time magazine saying girls made pregnancy pacts.

The meeting will discuss alarming rates of teen pregnancy.

Seventeen girls in the high school, four times the school's average number, became pregnant this year. The girls are all 16 or younger, nearly all of them sophomores.

Kirk said Sullivan has told officials in this New England fishing town he can't remember his source of the information.

"The high school principal is the one who initially said it, and no one else has said it," Kirk said.

"None of the counselors at the school, none of the teachers who know these children, and none of the families have spoken about it," she said.

"So, my position is that it has not been confirmed," Kirk said.

The Associated Press could not immediately locate a phone number to get Sullivan's reaction. A message was left yesterday at the principal's office.
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I blame Juno.

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in real life, Ellen Page will choose exactly how and when she gets pregnant and by what method.
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next

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why am I longing for a President Palmer ?
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why am I longing for a President Palmer ?

maybe if you try to assassinate President Palmer,

you'll be noticed by Juno.
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maybe if you try to assassinate President Palmer,

you'll be noticed by Juno.
Fucked up.
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Actually...

She (the mayor) said none of the school's health workers who deal with the girls on a daily basis had heard any mention of a pact. Instead, she attributed the pregnancies to a lack of funding for health education because of increased spending needed to meet federally mandated standards known as No Child Left Behind.

She also blamed the media's "glamorization of pregnancy" and "movies that depicted teen pregnancy as something to be desired."

She mentioned by name Jamie Lynn Spears, the 17-year-old sister of pop singer Britney Spears, who delivered a baby this weekend, and alluded to the recent hit film "Juno," a comedy about a teenager who becomes pregnant.
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