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Old 08-26-2009, 02:50 PM   #31
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as for thoughts on Ted Kennedy

he has been a dead man walking for some time now

he has missed many key senate votes

his political legacy is intact

when you have people like Nancy Reagan, Orin Hatch and the Bushes praising him along with the whole political left his place in history is safe


as a skeptic, I wonder what 'believers' really believe

does Ted Kennedy meet Mary Jo in the afterlife you believe in?
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Old 08-26-2009, 03:34 PM   #32
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i hope Bono's ok.
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Old 08-26-2009, 03:51 PM   #33
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R.I.P. Ted. He truly was one of the greatest public servants of the 20th century, personal problems aside. He carried on his brothers' legacy well, and no legislator has done or attempted to do more to help the average American, especially when it came to health care. I just wish he could have lived to see his dream of universal coverage come to pass.
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RIP Ted Kennedy....... & strength to you family & friends.


A person with some heavy flaws at times AND
who did so much good for so many people in our country-
all kinds of people, that a person of privilege could have easily ignored, or pretended to care about.
But the proof of your caring is in the bills you created/ or signed onto, and then vigorously helped to get passed.

I deeply thank you for the decades you dedicated to these various issues Sen Edward M kennedy.
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Old 08-26-2009, 08:36 PM   #35
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Very similar to the passing of Michael Jackson, I just don't get it...
Kennedy didn't molest kids, so there's that in his favour.
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:16 PM   #36
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Kennedy didn't molest kids, so there's that in his favour.
Case in point.

Someone using a thread about someone's death to troll some more... very telling.
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:21 PM   #37
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The Kennedy family has their issues, but they are true symbols of America... flawed in many ways, but generally well-intentioned forward-thinking idealists. Teddy was very much this. RIP.
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The Kennedy family has their issues, but they are true symbols of America... flawed in many ways, but generally well-intentioned forward-thinking idealists. Teddy was very much this. RIP.
I think that's a great synopsis...
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Very similar to the passing of Michael Jackson, I just don't get it...
All due respect but I think people who value the 'sanctimony' of these kinds of threads are misguided at best and well-intentioned at worst.

The MJ thread (to me) was a recoil against the obliviousness and the hagiography that was going on at the time.

Is this the proper place for such reverence?
If it is to you, great but if it isn't for someone else...it's just discussion.

I get it though, it's about general courtesy and respect.
But I think both the sanctimonious attitude towards these threads and the 'hero-worship' itself brings out the smart-ass in a lot of people.
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All due respect but I think people who value the 'sanctimony' of these kinds of threads are misguided at best and well-intentioned at worst.

The MJ thread (to me) was a recoil against the obliviousness and the hagiography that was going on at the time.

Is this the proper place for such reverence?
If it is to you, great but if it isn't for someone else...it's just discussion.

I get it though, it's about general courtesy and respect.
But I think both the sanctimonious attitude towards these threads and the 'hero-worship' itself brings out the smart-ass in a lot of people.
I wasn't talking about these threads. I was talking about people, media, conversations in general. If you believe in an afterlife, then you believe that judgement lies in the hands of some other power, so why continue to make judgements when you don't know all the facts on the day of their passing? It's no longer(if it ever was) in your hands. We all have some sort of personal demons I would hate to think mine were the topic at hand rather than the good on the day of my passing.

It has nothing to do with hero worship, celebrity, etc...

Just common human decency vs self-righteous viciousness.
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RIP Ted Kennedy....... & strength to you family & friends.


A person with some heavy flaws at times AND
who did so much good for so many people in our country-
all kinds of people, that a person of privilege could have easily ignored, or pretended to care about.
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:41 PM   #42
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R.i.p.

and it is ok to pray for people's souls.
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They just said on the news the line for the public viewing of the casket at the JFK museum in Boston holds thousands of people and is 3 and a half hours long. The family came out to shake hands with those waiting in line.

Class acts all of them.


If I may add a favorite story of mine that I just heard recently about Uncle Teddy ..... this blew my mind, his compassion runs so deep.

On his way home from Chemotherapy treatments in Boston he would stop at the homes of fallen Iraqi soldiers and speak to the families of our wonderful servicemen, to offer some comfort in all the grief.

Amazing. In his hour of pain and physical suffering he was still thinking about others and how to comfort them.

That my friends is the definition of compassion and something we all can learn from.
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i think that the man was absolutely driven by the shocking amount of death in his life. we talk about the headlines, this man had to live them:

Joe Kennedy -- killed in WW2
John Kennedy -- assassinated
Robert Kennedy -- assassinated
Teddy Kennedy -- survived a plane crash
John Kennedy Jr. -- died in a plane crash

and then, yes, there was Chappaquiddick incident. tragic, on all levels, possibly criminal, and no one today would have walked away so cleanly.

the man was shaped by the towers of unimaginable wealth and unspeakable death, and it's heartening to know that he aligned himself with love over fear, and chose to work for civil rights for *all* americans for most of his political career.

RIP, Sen. Kennedy. you were never perfect, you might have been a criminal, but you always lived up to the mantra that to whom much is given, much is expected.

he fought for the outcasts, the unloved, the freaks. and for that, he is a giant of the 20th century, the century that saw the greatest expansion of civil rights to previously despised minorities in the history of the world.
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Well said, Irvine.
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