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Old 10-30-2010, 11:07 AM   #106
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I think the unmanned drone technology is brilliant and has and will continue to serve our military very well. But, any drone use in the Middle East or South Asia right now just screams UNITED STATES, even if several other countries are building/using drone technology.
I think you said it perfectly. I couldn't agree more. And as you stated before, it is recruiting for Al Queda. Something we don't want at this point.
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:19 AM   #107
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Yikes. Yeah, if you can find that, I'd be very interested to read that.

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Robot Cannon Kills 9, Wounds 14 | Danger Room | Wired.com

^Not as alarmist as the first article I read about the incident. Originally, when I read about it, there was the implication that the gun actually targeted the people. Still, you have a robotic gun, firing automatically that no one seemed able to stop---9 dead, 14 wounded.


Here is another interesting one about Israel:

Israel Eyes Thinking Machines to Fight ‘Doomsday’ Missile Strikes (Updated) | Danger Room | Wired.com
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Thanks, Mark, for the articles.

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Once in a while, though, these machines start firing mysteriously on their own. The South African National Defence Force "is probing whether a software glitch led to an antiaircraft cannon malfunction that killed nine soldiers and seriously injured 14 others during a shooting exercise on Friday."
*Shudders* And the bit about the female soldier who tried valiantly to stop things.... No matter what exactly happened, that's just horrible. And insane.

And the thought of Iran and Israel having "doomsday-esque" weapons, gee, that's...comforting. Potential WW3, anyone?

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This is just my guess Angela. Soldiers have reasoning ability. Say for an example. They would not see a baby as a threat. But, a machine is programed to carry out certain functions. It can not determine when it is better to not to act.

I can understand why the soldiers don't want to use them. If they go into a village and there is no threat. Then, the soldiers will act accordingly. Maned drones strike a target. These targets have sometimes been innocent civilians.
Oh, yeah, I definitely don't doubt that's why they're against it. I just find it odd that if they don't like it, they still have it. But then again, just because most of the military feels that way doesn't mean everyone there does, so...

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It's always struck me funny how we freak out if those countries produce their own weapons, 'cause we fear they'll possibly "fall into the wrong hands"-well, isn't the same danger apparent if we provide them with the weapons? If we don't trust them to build their own weapons, why are we giving them some of ours? It doesn't make sense.
They buy assault rifles and RPG's and such from other countries mostly, it's cheaper that way. Were not that worried about "them falling into the wrong hands," because either way they're going to get their hands on an AK-47. It doesn't really matter where it comes from. What we don't want is the ability for them to get their hands on more dangerous weapons, like anti-tank missiles or predator drones for example. We don't really sell those kinds of weapons to countries outside of NATO.

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i can't reconcile the discussion in the thread with this post. can you elaborate?
It seemed as good a place as any to post it.
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What we don't want is the ability for them to get their hands on more dangerous weapons, like anti-tank missiles or predator drones for example. We don't really sell those kinds of weapons to countries outside of NATO.
It is mildly funny that Iran has F-14s. They can't service them, but someone thought it was a good idea to sell them one of our best fighters at some point in the late '70s/early '80s.
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It seemed as good a place as any to post it.
a muslim fellow trying to blow up a synagogue almost isn't news.

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It is mildly funny that Iran has F-14s. They can't service them, but someone thought it was a good idea to sell them one of our best fighters at some point in the late '70s/early '80s.
the enemy of my enemy, as it turns out, is a probably poor idiom to live by.
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the enemy of my enemy, as it turns out, is a probably poor idiom to live by.
I'll take the quote:

Choose your enemies carefully, 'cause they will define you
Make them interesting, 'cause in some ways they will mind you
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends
Gonna last with you longer than your friends

^I think that was Plato.

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I'll take the quote:

Choose your enemies carefully, 'cause they will define you
Make them interesting, 'cause in some ways they will mind you
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends
Gonna last with you longer than your friends

^I think that was Plato.

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Thanks, Mark, for the articles.



*Shudders* And the bit about the female soldier who tried valiantly to stop things.... No matter what exactly happened, that's just horrible. And insane.

And the thought of Iran and Israel having "doomsday-esque" weapons, gee, that's...comforting. Potential WW3, anyone?



Oh, yeah, I definitely don't doubt that's why they're against it. I just find it odd that if they don't like it, they still have it. But then again, just because most of the military feels that way doesn't mean everyone there does, so...

Angela
I agree Thanks Mark for taking your time and looking up the articles for us. It has certainly given me more knowledge.
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a muslim fellow trying to blow up a synagogue almost isn't news.



the enemy of my enemy, as it turns out, is a probably poor idiom to live by.

But, why synagogues in Chicago? Their congregation isn't flying in from Israel for a Friday nignt service. Then back to the West Bank and building more settlements. Soft target to create fear?
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Perhaps nothing that is shipped from Yemen should be allowed to come to the States or Europe.
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a muslim fellow trying to blow up a synagogue almost isn't news.
The fact that they almost suceeded is, however. Especially in England. They missed the bomb the first time around, and only searched again because we told them to.
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Thanks Pac mule. I was only able to hear bits and pieces. Being at work most of the weekend.
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as if a rabbi isn't going to look at the shipment details when it arrives at the synagogue.

oh look, toner sent from yemen that nobody ordered! yeah, that's not going to arouse their suspicion.
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Good point. I work part time as a church secretary. Any suspicious package, I would call the police. We don't order anything from outside the U.S. Since what we need for our office and church is available here.
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