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Old 09-15-2008, 08:42 PM   #121
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Who's next after Lehman Brothers is fed to the wolves? - Telegraph

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However, the root cause lies in the actions of governments across the Western world. They held interest rates too low for much of the past two decades, and encouraged the debt burden to explode to unprecedented levels.

This reckless experiment has left our societies acutely vulnerable to a sudden reversal of debt issuance, or ''deleveraging" as it is known. The ferocious purge now under way will come at a high human cost. Millions in Britain, Europe, the US, and the rest of the world will lose their jobs over the next two years, through no fault of their own.

Having caused this crisis, it would now be remiss for governments to pursue a policy of strict debt liquidation in the name of capitalist purity.

As the bankruptcies mount, the state will have an obligation to step in to preserve social stability. If that means the temporary nationalisation of large chunks of the Western economy, so be it.

This is too grave a crisis for ideological preening and free market infantilism
. May those calling for debt liquidation ''a l'outrance" be the first in line to lose their jobs.
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:46 PM   #122
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If the government takes over mortgages what would be the tax rate be to handle the defaults, or what would be the inflation rate if they just create new money?

A loss is a loss no matter what.
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:53 PM   #123
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A timely article:

OpenSecrets | Update: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Lawmakers - Capital Eye

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Old 09-16-2008, 12:59 AM   #124
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if you want my honest opinion with regards to this

it would be:

I TOLD YOU SO!

how obvious is it for a world we live in, is built on pyramid schemes and things that 'arent real'

there is so much gibberish, 'terms' and buzzwords uttered out by so-called overeducated intellects trying to 'cheat', 'beat' or be better than someone on the basis of NOTHING. its also ridiculous how stressed people become over such insignificant 'unimportant' things that happen in 'that industry'


i mean yeh, life should be more than competing against one another on a 100meter racing track. but "investment banking" is the world's ultimate pyramid scheme in trying to make people seem more important than they actually are

think about it, humans have made life so much more complicated than it needs to be.

ps i am not trying to sound too condescending
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Old 09-16-2008, 06:27 AM   #125
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McCain, Obama Confront the Market

By NICK TIMIRAOS and ELIZABETH HOLMES
Wall Street Journal, Sept. 16



The U.S. banking crisis is shaking up the presidential race as well as the agenda of the next president, forcing both candidates to confront a financial calamity. John McCain and Barack Obama jockeyed to seize an advantage on the financial crisis, signaling how Wall Street's troubles have become a bigger concern on Main Street. The candidates wrapped the market instability into broader campaign themes but found themselves wrestling on unfamiliar territory.

Republican candidate Sen. McCain pointed to his credentials cleaning up Washington's excesses while Democratic candidate Sen. Obama blamed the crisis on Washington's deregulatory bent over the past three decades. Both candidates blamed Wall Street greed and special-interest influences in Washington. "We've seen self-interest, greed, irresponsibility and corruption undermine these hard-working American people," Sen. McCain said at a rally in Orlando, Fla., where he promised to "put an end...to running Wall Street like a casino." He offered no specific prescriptions but did call for ending "multimillion-dollar payouts to CEOs that have broken the public trust." Sen. McCain pushed the need for an updated regulatory system, a cry he began this spring. "And there's an alphabet soup of different agencies, and they have to be streamlined, they have to be consolidated, and they have to be effective," he said. "Those regulators have been asleep at the switch, and we've got to fix it." Sen. McCain also promised he wouldn't use taxpayers' dollars to solve the problem.

Sen. Obama singled out the Bush administration's deregulatory push for what he described as "the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression." While Sen. McCain wasn't at fault, he said, "I do fault the economic philosophy he subscribes to...one that says we should give more and more to those with the most and hope that prosperity trickles down."

While the candidates and their running mates focused on the financial crisis Monday, all four found themselves in unfamiliar territory. Sen. McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, have little experience dealing with financial crises, and neither do Sen. Obama or his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, whose expertise is in foreign affairs. Sen. McCain's campaign pointed out that the senator had talked with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson for "seven to 10 minutes" and contacted his economic team, including former Hewlett-Packard Co. head Carly Fiorina. Sen. Obama said he spoke about the market turmoil Monday morning with his economic team, including former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker and former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers.

Regardless of who wins the election, the crisis will further constrain the next president, sapping time and money from proposals on health care and tax relief. Both sides have promised more regulation of financial institutions and more transparency for investors. Sen. McCain has called for tougher measures to overhaul Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Sen. McCain Monday stressed the importance of allowing homeowners to refinance their mortgages, saying that the financial markets couldn't stabilize until the housing market found a bottom.

In a March speech on financial-market overhaul, Sen. Obama called for extending commercial-banking regulations to investment banks, hedge funds and mortgage brokers. He called for a commission that would monitor threats to the financial system. He said deregulation that culminated in 1999 with a partial repeal of the 1930s' Glass-Steagall Act, which had separated investment banks and commercial banks, had been driven by lobbyists and was intended primarily to facilitate mergers.

Neither candidate backed a government rescue deal for Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. over the weekend. But each offered few specifics about what they would do. "We are going to have a lot of rebuilding to do," Sen. Obama said at a rally in Colorado. The McCain campaign released a new ad Monday to capture the mantle of reform by promising tough changes to "protect your life savings."

Sen. McCain promised to overhaul the regulatory system. Among the problems Sen. McCain has identified, according to policy head Doug Holtz-Eakin, is the lack of a clearing house for derivatives so investors know the risks they entail; the lack of accountability for mortgage brokers; and the overall lack of capital backing in the system.

Both candidates had rushed to address the need for regulatory overhaul in March after the collapse of Bear Stearns Cos., but until the government was forced to backstop Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac last week, the financial crisis was viewed as a problem that concerned Wall Street bankers but not rank-and-file workers.
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Old 09-16-2008, 08:42 PM   #126
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Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel laureate in economics:

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Stiglitz: The globalization agenda has been closely linked with the market fundamentalists -- the ideology of free markets and financial liberalization. In this crisis, we see the most market-oriented institutions in the most market-oriented economy failing and running to the government for help. Everyone in the world will say now that this is the end of market fundamentalism.

In this sense, the fall of Wall Street is for market fundamentalism what the fall of the Berlin Wall was for communism -- it tells the world that this way of economic organization turns out not to be sustainable. In the end, everyone says, that model doesn't work. This moment is a marker that the claims of financial market liberalization were bogus.

The hypocrisy between the way the U.S. Treasury, the IMF and the World Bank handled the Asian crisis of 1997 and the way this is being handled has heightened this intellectual reaction. The Asians now say, "Wait a minute, you told us to imitate you in the U.S. You are the model. Had we followed your example we would be in the same mess. You may be able to afford it. We can't".
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:58 PM   #127
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I thought the wolves were after Sarah Palin?




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Old 09-18-2008, 10:42 AM   #129
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if you want my honest opinion with regards to this

it would be:

I TOLD YOU SO!

how obvious is it for a world we live in, is built on pyramid schemes and things that 'arent real'

there is so much gibberish, 'terms' and buzzwords uttered out by so-called overeducated intellects trying to 'cheat', 'beat' or be better than someone on the basis of NOTHING. its also ridiculous how stressed people become over such insignificant 'unimportant' things that happen in 'that industry'


i mean yeh, life should be more than competing against one another on a 100meter racing track. but "investment banking" is the world's ultimate pyramid scheme in trying to make people seem more important than they actually are

think about it, humans have made life so much more complicated than it needs to be.

ps i am not trying to sound too condescending
People are trying to make investing into gambling. Greed to the limit leads to people constantly trying to make capital gains. People should be saving and investing in safe securities and making income over time. People want a quick fix and they use their short-term thinking to gamble.

The markets were supposed to create independence. In gambling eventually somebody has to lose. With the government using taxpayers dollars to bail out greedy people they are eliminating the risks so investors feel they can go back to the same behaviour again and again.

"Hey the taxpayer is going to save me." Americans need to save money the old fashioned way or else the government will be taking over.
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