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Old 12-26-2012, 03:04 AM   #16
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The thread title does indeed imply that the Christian faith is being oppressed globally, which is false.

I just chose to ignore Iron Horse's one original contribution to the thread is all.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:03 AM   #17
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Does the Middle East plus China plus parts of Africa equal "globally"?
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:30 AM   #18
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Not really. Especially since Christian growth has increased by about 4,200% in Africa over the last century.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:17 PM   #19
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Iron horse, a lot like Fox, distorted the context of the article and made up an entirely different thread title.

"The study warns that Christians suffer greater hostility across the world than any other religious group."

The first sentence in the article.
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"The study warns that Christians suffer greater hostility across the world than any other religious group."

The first sentence in the article.
Which is absolute horseshit. Maybe in the Middle East.

Legalising gay marriage =/= hostility against Christianity.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:43 PM   #21
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Even if hostility and mistreatment of Christians exist in only certain parts of the world, it is still worth taking note of - especially since its been reported for quite a while now.

Here's a PBS story on this: Facing Uncertainty, Middle Eastern Christians Are Increasingly Emigrating | PBS NewsHour | Sept. 17, 2012 | PBS

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The numbers certainly are not positive. Christians today make up about 5 percent of the entire Middle Eastern population. That's down from about 20 percent a century ago.
According to some estimates, the total population of Christians in the Middle East, roughly 12 million, could be cut in half over the next eight years.
In Egypt, the country with the largest number of Christians in the Middle East, an estimated 93,000 Copts left in 2011 alone, as Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak fell from power and members of their community were attacked. Some Copts don't have much hope for the future.
The reason why I find this to be sad is because the majority of these Mideast Christian families have been in the region for centuries, long before Islam came along. And now they're being driven out from their homelands. Very sad.

I'm just pointing all this out because even though this thread was started by someone that isn't viewed favorably here (not that I'm complaining), it still is a worthy topic.
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"The study warns that Christians suffer greater hostility across the world than any other religious group."

The first sentence in the article.
The article is pretty poorly written, they make some rather large leaps of reasoning.

Now I'm not diminishing the seriousness of religious oppression, it's very real, but you and this article are being a little disingenuous with your wording.

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"It cites estimates that 200 million Christians, or 10 per cent of Christians worldwide, are “socially disadvantaged, harassed or actively oppressed for their beliefs.”"

Now how do they define "socially disadvantaged"?

The article also says this is occurring mostly in Islam majority countries, so "across the world" seems a little extreme to me.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:13 AM   #23
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I'm just pointing all this out because even though this thread was started by someone that isn't viewed favorably here (not that I'm complaining), it still is a worthy topic.
He really needs to change the thread title to something that reflects the content of the thread. Because yeah, this is a perfectly reasonable topic of discussion.
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Even if hostility and mistreatment of Christians exist in only certain parts of the world, it is still worth taking note of - especially since its been reported for quite a while now.

Here's a PBS story on this: Facing Uncertainty, Middle Eastern Christians Are Increasingly Emigrating | PBS NewsHour | Sept. 17, 2012 | PBS



The reason why I find this to be sad is because the majority of these Mideast Christian families have been in the region for centuries, long before Islam came along. And now they're being driven out from their homelands. Very sad.

I'm just pointing all this out because even though this thread was started by someone that isn't viewed favorably here (not that I'm complaining), it still is a worthy topic.
The thing Western media isn't mentioning when they are writing about it is that this kind of oppression and violence in most cases is not targeted at Christians exclusively, but at people of other religions and very often also people of other ethnicities in general. Nigeria, which also isn't a country of the middle-east, is a little different, but there only 1.4% belong to a religion other than Christianity or Islam.
The way it is reported glosses over the fact that Christians are not an especially persecuted group of people. And it ignores the underlying fundamentals of the conflicts, which are more based on a religious as well as ethnic intolerance of anyone who is different.
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Christianity arguably the most persecuted religion in the world - thestar.com
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Arguably.
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Repeating a lazy argument doesn't make it more valid.
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Even if this is true, shouldn't we Christians expect as much? Jesus made it clear we were to expect persecution.

We're so un-persecuted these days that the teacher doesn't say prayer at the front of the public school classroom we act is we're all about to be thrown to the lions.

Western Christians have gotten really soft.

That said, I know that persecution of Christians in other countries is very real. However, I think it's already been pointed out that persecution of all kinds of minority groups is rampant in many parts of the world.
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Western Christians have gotten really soft.
^THIS I think the "christian" right in this country are constantly looking for persecution. They long to play the victims. Iron does it, the majority of the religious right wing party does it, and all the Jerry Falwell types do it. They honestly have no clue what persecution and oppression really is, and they have no idea of the oppression they actually themselves conduct.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:41 AM   #30
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They do it because their conception is of a Christian polity. In a way it's quite a medieval outlook. Nevermind the fact that I'd imagine the USA in 2012 (13?) is by some majority Christian in orientation. It's not 100%.
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