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Old 09-15-2009, 06:49 PM   #31
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I thought we solved this issue for good when Tom Cruise made it abundantly clear that he was the Last Samurai.
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Old 09-15-2009, 06:56 PM   #32
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Old 09-15-2009, 07:08 PM   #33
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Why are you so quick to side with the robber?
Why are you so quick to side with the guy that had no problem killing a guy with one swipe of a sword over some tools?

I'm not siding with anyone, I just like facts rather than speculations.
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Old 09-15-2009, 09:00 PM   #34
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I'm gonna reply to some of the stuff said, but I'm on my iPhone so I don't want to spend 20 min writing the shit. Tomorrow at work I will, don't miss it
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It's interesting that the article says the student killed the man with only one strike of the sword but yet the victim had "a nearly severed hand and a laceration to his upper body."

His hand was either severed when he lunged or he held up his hand to fend off the sword.
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There was a similar incident on CSI: Osaka a few weeks ago.

Life always seems to mirror art.
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It's interesting that the article says the student killed the man with only one strike of the sword but yet the victim had "a nearly severed hand and a laceration to his upper body."

His hand was either severed when he lunged or he held up his hand to fend off the sword.

we don't know what happened


burglars typically flee, they don't lunge towards people with swords

but if I had to speculate, I would say the guy killed a defenseless man that put up his hand to block the sword
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we don't know what happened


burglars typically flee, they don't lunge towards people with swords

but if I had to speculate, I would say the guy killed a defenseless man that put up his hand to block the sword
You've perhaps done as much speculating as HyperU2 in this thread. People generally like to speculate on news articles though. It's the same with human behaviour in particular incidents.
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Old 09-16-2009, 08:35 AM   #39
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It's easy to monday morning quarterback these types of situations, even though we dont know anything other than what the article says, which most of the time, isnt enough. Here are the facts as i see them:

1.) thief broke into his garage to steal something
2.) student was blocking the exit armed with a sword, and had called the police beforehand, the thief may or may not know this
3.) the thief doesnt appear armed, but you cant see what he has under shirt, in pockets, etc
4.) the student doesnt know the thief's capabilities or intentions now that the thief knows he's caught
5.) the thief is caught and trapped by a person wielding a sword, he may or may not know if the police are coming, yet he still makes some kind of move towards the student, instead of just giving up "ok im caught", that sort of thing. the move might have been just an attempt to escape, or it might have been an offensive move towards the student with unknown intentions.
6.) the student interprets the move as an attack and defends himself.

is the student justified? given the facts as i see them, the student could be able to articulate deadly force in this situation. there appears to be only 1 or 2 swipes of the sword, the thief having injuries to the hand and chest. you can interpret the hand injury as the defenseless thief trying to block the blow, or an attempt to take the sword away and use it on the student. do we know what exactly transpired and what words were exchanged? no. so it is difficult to say for sure.
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Clearly what happened here:

Guy bought a Samurai sword.
Guy wanted to see if he could kill someone with it.
Guy's playstation is stolen a few weeks ago, and this gives him an idea.
Guy lures life long thief back to his house with promises of sex and money.
Theif takes the bait.
Guy kills thief in cold blood.
Guy will kill again.
And he will get more precise.
More surgical.
He will think he's an artist.

Happens all the time.
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:23 AM   #41
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2.) student was blocking the exit armed with a sword, and had called the police beforehand, the thief may or may not know this
He did not call the police.

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The Johns Hopkins University undergraduate didn't run. He didn't call the police. He grabbed his samurai sword.
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5.) the thief is caught and trapped by a person wielding a sword, he may or may not know if the police are coming, yet he still makes some kind of move towards the student, instead of just giving up "ok im caught", that sort of thing. the move might have been just an attempt to escape, or it might have been an offensive move towards the student with unknown intentions.
I'm not sure I would qualify this as a "fact". It's a he said/ he said scenario and one is dead. Self defense is a pretty easy defense when one is dead.
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:29 AM   #42
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He did not call the police.
you're right, my fault. still, the thief didnt know that one way or another. the situation may have been diffused if he had called and told the thief that. and yet, it might've turned more violent. who knows?

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I'm not sure I would qualify this as a "fact". It's a he said/ he said scenario and one is dead. Self defense is a pretty easy defense when one is dead.
true, the student could have just walked in and kill billed the thief in cold blood and risk being charged with murder 1 and lying to the police in his account of what happened. or it could have happened like he said with the thief making some kind of move at him. which side the wounds support is subject to interpretation.
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you're right, my fault. still, the thief didnt know that one way or another. the situation may have been difused if he had called and told the thief that. and yet, it might've turned more violent. who knows?
I think him not calling the cops leads me to believe the person could be in a much more "attack first" mode than someone who had. If all I had was a sword, knowing they may have a gun, cops would have been my first move. I wouldn't confront and wait for a lunge. If there was only one way out, why not close the door until the cops come?

Sorry, far too many ways out of this situation without death for me to think it was purely an innocent act of self defense. No call, no verbal warning, one swipe and not a stab, etc...
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There was a similar incident on CSI: Osaka a few weeks ago.

Life always seems to mirror art.


well done.
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Clearly what happened here:

Guy bought a Samurai sword.
Guy wanted to see if he could kill someone with it.
Guy's playstation is stolen a few weeks ago, and this gives him an idea.
Guy lures life long thief back to his house with promises of sex and money.
Theif takes the bait.
Guy kills thief in cold blood.
Guy will kill again.
And he will get more precise.
More surgical.
He will think he's an artist.

Happens all the time.
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