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Old 09-17-2011, 07:40 PM   #106
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A moment of levity from Iraq

U.S female soldier having fun with Iraqi soldiers - YouTube
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:19 PM   #107
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Senior defense officials say Pentagon chief Leon Panetta is removing the military's ban on women serving in combat, opening hundreds of thousands of front-line positions and potentially elite commando jobs after more than a decade at war.

The groundbreaking move recommended by the Joint Chiefs of Staff overturns a 1994 rule banning women from being assigned to smaller ground combat units. Panetta's decision gives the military services until January 2016 to seek special exceptions if they believe any positions must remain closed to women.
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:07 PM   #108
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wow.. saw that.. this is huge news.
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:08 PM   #109
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:46 PM   #110
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Wow, really?

Cool. Good move, Panetta .
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:10 PM   #111
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Welcome to the 1980s, USA!

As long as there remains one standard for service, it shouldn't matter what sex the person is.
That said, hypothetically, if there was a draft in the future, what would everyone think about all able body people over 18 being required, regardless of sex?
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:24 AM   #112
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Good question. Given how things are shifting in this country regarding who's allowed to be in the military now and everything, I think, were we to reinstate the draft, we'd be more likely to include anyone who can fight. Though I'm sure that we'd still have some people out there talking about, "Who'll stay home and care for the children?" and stuff like that.

But while I fully support women who want to be on the fighting lines having the right and opportunity to do so, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be to be part of that, by force or by choice, for a whole host of reasons. So it'd be interesting to see how, if women were included in a reinstated draft, we would react to those who did try and find ways to get out of serving. Would we have more or less sympathy for them than we would men?
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:49 AM   #113
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If it came to a draft, I would support women being exempt
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:05 AM   #114
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its funny how this issue has been for the most part championed by those who have never served in the military and never experienced combat.
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Women’s Rights Activist Demands More Females Killed In Combat

WASHINGTON, D.C. – In a highly-anticipated press conference held in the nation’s Capitol today, a leading women’s activist announced that she would be taking up the cause of having more female service-members killed in combat.

U.S. Representative Judy Chu (D, CA) announced the creation of Femme Fatal, a movement specifically tasked with ensuring that women get the same opportunities to be shot, killed, wounded, and suffer debilitating emotional stress as men throughout the military.

She appeared with Private Ellen Brown, an active-duty female soldier serving with the 10th Mountain Division in southern Afghanistan.

Private Brown, a supply clerk, is currently a member of a Female Engagement Team whose duties include speaking with local women on patrol and searching female civilians. She appeared via Skype from her base’s Morale Welfare and Recreation center.

“Women make up 14.6% of the active duty military, but just 2.3% of the casualties,” complained Rep. Chu.

“Did you know that in the past decade, our military has only had 140 women killed in combat?” asked Rep. Chu. ”Compare that to more than six thousand men killed, and it paints a disturbing picture of a military reluctant to let women near the front lines. Obviously we have to find a way to narrow the casualty gap.”

The idea of women serving behind the front lines has largely disappeared in Iraq and Afghanistan as more and more women have experienced combat at some level.

But Femme Fatal says a “camouflage ceiling” still exists, blocking women from serving in Special Forces, Infantry, Armor, and Field Artillery, a ceiling that Rep. Chu believes can only be shattered by, “blood… lots of blood.”

In recent years, the military has seen multiple cases of heroism from women in combat but divisions have continued to grow on both sides of the debate.

Some detractors have said females cannot handle the stresses of infantry life, while proponents have noted examples of women who have excelled in a male-dominated military.

During the conference, James Durst, a reporter for the Los Angeles Times, asked Rep. Chu about how the physical differences between the sexes would affect the standards and methods used in training to produce America’s most elite warriors.

“If a man can do it, a woman can do it!” Rep. Chu responded.

“Private Brown is just as capable of having her arms and legs blown off by IEDs, her face ripped away by hot shrapnel, her throat torn open by a sniper’s bullet…”

At this point Private Brown doubled-over vomiting and was heard saying, “Fuck this shit, I’m just here for the college money.”

“… before she’s unceremoniously kicked out of the Army because there are too many trigger-pullers and spends the rest of her life shitting in a colostomy bag, begging the VA for her disability money,” Rep. Chu finished.

Some people remain unconvinced.

“It’s called infantry-MAN, not infantry-LADY, and that’s a scientific fact,” said Ron Meyer, a former infantryman who served in Korea and Vietnam, and avid Duffel Blog commenter.

“I don’t care what the studies or the polling show. Some things just need to stay the way they are.”

Others, including some women in uniform, were upset over Rep. Chu’s eagerness for a higher female body count.

“Who the hell are these women and why are they so eager to get me killed?” demanded Sergeant Jacquie Williams, a female combat veteran of Iraq. ”Do any of them plan on going anytime soon? I’ve been in combat. I’ve done the job. But groups like this don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.”

Faced with that criticism, Rep. Chu also announced that as soon as the ban on women in combat units was lifted, she intended to immediately resign her congressional seat and enlist in the Army as an infantry-person.

“Why should Private Brown get to have all the fun?” Rep. Chu laughed.

“Besides, I’ve always wanted to see what the inside of a human head looks like after I’ve smashed it open with my E-tool.”


http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/07/wo...male-infantry/

for those who don't know, the Duffel blog is the militarys version of the onion.
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its funny how this issue has been for the most part championed by those who have never served in the military and never experienced combat.
Completely irrelevant
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:40 AM   #117
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its funny how this issue has been for the most part championed by those who have never served in the military and never experienced combat.
Should those that didn't have voting rights wait for someone with voting rights to champion for them?

What's "funny" about it?
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:39 PM   #118
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its funny how this issue has been for the most part championed by those who have never served in the military and never experienced combat.
Israel allows women to serve in combat.

Proof: BBC News - Women at war: A combat soldier in the Israeli army
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Canada has for decades
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