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Old 04-28-2009, 04:41 PM   #16
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Arlen Specter is a huge jagoff. Removing any influence by the Republican party will only improve his votes, but securing a pledge by the Pennsylvania Dem party not to primary him means it's going to be harder to actually get a decent voice in the US Senate.
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Old 04-29-2009, 02:30 AM   #17
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besides, he was never a legitimate Republican

he is not even a Christian.
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:42 AM   #18
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Maybe both main parties will split and we will have four to choose from in the future.

What wishful thinking.
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Old 04-29-2009, 05:40 PM   #19
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lol, you could say that about just about anything that happens in politics.






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No no..most here view it as heroic or courageous.



What man he is.


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Old 04-29-2009, 06:21 PM   #21
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Old 04-29-2009, 06:29 PM   #22
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Having seen the writing on the wall, I think it was a very calculating move on Specter's part. That being said, I would have actually been happy about the move had he publicly stated that the defection to the Dems was based purely on principle. Since he has not, I think he's no better than any of the other whores politicians.
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Noooo..it's principle.
Arlen has always been a man of unmovable principle.

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Having seen the writing on the wall, I think it was a very calculating move on Specter's part. That being said, I would have actually been happy about the move had he publicly stated that the defection to the Dems was based purely on principle. Since he has not, I think he's no better than any of the other whores politicians.
Yes.

It was a simple choice between getting embarrassed in the Republican primary, or having a popular president save his ass.

Anything to keep his seat. Specter said as much himself.
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Old 04-29-2009, 08:43 PM   #25
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We Didn’t Have to Lose Arlen Specter

By OLYMPIA SNOWE
New York Times, April 28



It is disheartening and disconcerting, at the very least, that here we are today—almost exactly eight years after Senator Jim Jeffords left the Republican Party—witnessing the departure of my good friend and fellow moderate Republican, Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, for the Democratic Party. And the announcement of his switch was all the more painful because I believe it didn’t have to be this way.

When Senator Jeffords became an independent in 2001, I said it was a sad day for the Republicans, but it would be even sadder if we failed to confront and learn from the devaluation of diversity within the party that contributed to his defection. I also noted that we were far from the heady days of 1998, when Republicans were envisioning the possibility of a filibuster-proof 60-vote margin. (Recall that in the 2000 election, most pundits were shocked when Republicans lost five seats, resulting in a 50-50 Senate.) I could have hardly imagined then that, in 2009, we would fondly reminisce about the time when we were disappointed to fall short of 60 votes in the Senate. Regrettably, we failed to learn the lessons of Jim Jeffords’s defection in 2001. To the contrary, we overreached in interpreting the results of the presidential election of 2004 as a mandate for the party. This resulted in the disastrous elections of 2006 and 2008, which combined for a total loss of 51 Republicans in the House and 13 in the Senate—with a corresponding shift of the Congressional majority and the White House to the Democrats.

It was as though beginning with Senator Jeffords’s decision, Republicans turned a blind eye to the iceberg under the surface, failing to undertake the re-evaluation of our inclusiveness as a party that could have forestalled many of the losses we have suffered. It is true that being a Republican moderate sometimes feels like being a cast member of “Survivor”—you are presented with multiple challenges, and you often get the distinct feeling that you’re no longer welcome in the tribe. But it is truly a dangerous signal that a Republican senator of nearly three decades no longer felt able to remain in the party. Senator Specter indicated that his decision was based on the political situation in Pennsylvania, where he faced a tough primary battle. In my view, the political environment that has made it inhospitable for a moderate Republican in Pennsylvania is a microcosm of a deeper, more pervasive problem that places our party in jeopardy nationwide.

I have said that, without question, we cannot prevail as a party without conservatives. But it is equally certain we cannot prevail in the future without moderates.


In that same vein, I am reminded of a briefing by a prominent Republican pollster after the 2004 election. He was asked what voter groups Republicans might be able to win over. He responded: women in general, married women with children, Hispanics, the middle class in general, and independents. How well have we done as a party with these groups? Unfortunately, the answer is obvious from the results of the last two elections. We should be reaching out to these segments of our population—not de facto ceding them to the opposing party.

There is no plausible scenario under which Republicans can grow into a majority while shrinking our ideological confines and continuing to retract into a regional party. Ideological purity is not the ticket back to the promised land of governing majorities—indeed, it was when we began to emphasize social issues to the detriment of some of our basic tenets as a party that we encountered an electoral backlash. It is for this reason that we should heed the words of President Ronald Reagan, who urged, “We should emphasize the things that unite us and make these the only ‘litmus test’ of what constitutes a Republican: our belief in restraining government spending, pro-growth policies, tax reduction, sound national defense, and maximum individual liberty.” He continued, “As to the other issues that draw on the deep springs of morality and emotion, let us decide that we can disagree among ourselves as Republicans and tolerate the disagreement.”

I couldn’t agree more. We can’t continue to fold our philosophical tent into an umbrella under which only a select few are worthy to stand. Rather, we should view an expansion of diversity within the party as a triumph that will broaden our appeal. That is the political road map we must follow to victory.


Olympia Snowe is a Republican senator from Maine.
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:26 PM   #26
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Maybe a 3rd party is in the works?



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I fucking hope so. Sign me up! I don't care if we worship cows and raise taxes on marsupials, we need a 3rd party to keep those other two parties of lemmings in check.
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I don't think he gets it. The reason he's been losing in the primary polls is not because he's a Republican. It's because he voted for the stimulus package. Clearly, PA (or at least the Republicans) doesn't want that. And he thinks switching is going to help his re-election? I'm not so sure.

He was going to face a challenge from the right and the left. This move means he'll only be challenged from the right and have the full force of the Democratic party behind him.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:52 PM   #30
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and have the full force of the Democratic party behind him.
Yeah, I don't know if I would go that far...
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