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Old 12-01-2011, 01:33 PM   #301
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It is cheap. Very cheap.
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Old 12-01-2011, 01:41 PM   #302
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yeah, compared to this side of the pond at least...
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it's also 4x more than it was 10 years ago. i understand that it's cheaper over here, but it ain't like it used to be.

and that's a good thing. far fewer SUVs clogging up the roads these days.
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Old 12-02-2011, 05:58 AM   #304
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it's also 4x more than it was 10 years ago. i understand that it's cheaper over here, but it ain't like it used to be.

and that's a good thing. far fewer SUVs clogging up the roads these days.
this (i want to say it hovered around $1 in 2001, at least it did in memphis)

and this.
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Squeezed by rising living costs, a record number of Americans—nearly 1 in 2—have fallen into poverty or are scraping by on earnings that classify them as low income. The latest census data depict a middle class that's shrinking as unemployment stays high and the government's safety net frays. The new numbers follow years of stagnating wages for the middle class that have hurt millions of workers and families.
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Many middle-class Americans are dropping below the low-income threshold—roughly $45,000 for a family of four—because of pay cuts, a forced reduction of work hours or a spouse losing a job. Housing and child-care costs are consuming up to half of a family's income.

States in the South and West had the highest shares of low-income families, including Arizona, New Mexico and South Carolina, which have scaled back or eliminated aid programs for the needy. By raw numbers, such families were most numerous in California and Texas, each with more than 1 million.
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About 97.3 million Americans fall into a low-income category, commonly defined as those earning between 100 and 199% of the poverty level, based on a new supplemental measure by the Census Bureau that is designed to provide a fuller picture of poverty. Together with the 49.1 million who fall below the poverty line and are counted as poor, they number 146.4 million, or 48% of the U.S. population. That's up by 4 million from 2009, the earliest numbers for the newly developed poverty measure. The new measure of poverty takes into account medical, commuting and other living costs. Doing that helped push the number of people below 200% of the poverty level up from 104 million, or 1 in 3 Americans, that was officially reported in September.

Broken down by age, children were most likely to be poor or low-income — about 57%—followed by seniors over 65. By race and ethnicity, Hispanics topped the list at 73%, followed by blacks, Asians and non-Hispanic whites.
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The majority of low-income families—62%—spent more than one-third of their earnings on housing, surpassing a common guideline for what is considered affordable. By some census surveys, child-care costs consume close to another one-fifth.

Paychecks for low-income families are shrinking. The inflation-adjusted average earnings for the bottom 20% of families have fallen from $16,788 in 1979 to just under $15,000, and earnings for the next 20% have remained flat at $37,000. In contrast, higher-income brackets had significant wage growth since 1979, with earnings for the top 5% of families climbing 64% to more than $313,000.
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Old 12-16-2011, 10:30 PM   #306
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So this is Christmas and here's what I've done.
I was laid off October of 2010. I went through my savings (quickly) then my 401k went next. I took a lower paying job in April which gave me $62.00 more a month than I was drawing in unemployment.
That was a quota based job and as soon as I didn't make quota I was let go. (I was a job recruiter for an employment agency and had to find 10 positions a week to list in their jobs directory for other people to apply for - after paying a fee.) The manager really liked me and said she would just say it was a temp. position to help me use it as a reference. (she had no choice - corp said get rid of me. and one other person)
Back on unemployment. After weeks of fucked up problems with the unemployment office - they just couldn't believe I wasn't working no matter how much I tried to explain or show proof.
Time goes on - getting further and further behind. Went to work for a company that handles cell phone customer service. They started letting people go before training was even over. If you didn't work there before you were kicked to the curb.
Took out a title loan on my car to pay rent and pay off 2 payday loans. Still paying interest on that and haven't paid down but a few dollars of the actual loan.
Friends have family members living back with them now. One of my sister's had her house burn down and had to scale back, also. Two other sisters living out of town and have their own worries. My son lives with me and works part time and he's selling his furniture (that's in storage) to make rent this month. He's trying to get his degree in engineering but may have to give it up this semester if we loose our place. I just sold my dining room table/chairs and bakers rack, coffee & end tables.
Trying to decide if I should take a prescription (that wasn't prescribed to me, but I've taken before) because I don't have insurance and I hurt all over from RA.
I'm no longer young and I've worked all my life since I was 15. I don't have a college degree and I'm going up against people who haven't been out of work as long as I have, are younger and have degrees and will work for wages I made in 2007.
There you have it.
I've never had to sell my furniture and kitchen appliances to make rent.
I'm not alone.
There are millions of us out there and yeah, I'd say we're fucked.
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Old 12-17-2011, 11:01 AM   #307
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50 Economic Numbers About The US That Are "Almost Too Crazy To Believe"

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The following are 50 economic numbers from 2011 that are almost too crazy to believe....

#1 A staggering 48 percent of all Americans are either considered to be "low income" or are living in poverty.


#2 Approximately 57 percent of all children in the United States are living in homes that are either considered to be "low income" or impoverished.


#3 If the number of Americans that "wanted jobs" was the same today as it was back in 2007, the "official" unemployment rate put out by the U.S. government would be up to 11 percent.


#4 The average amount of time that a worker stays unemployed in the United States is now over 40 weeks.


#5 One recent survey found that 77 percent of all U.S. small businesses do not plan to hire any more workers.


#6 There are fewer payroll jobs in the United States today than there were back in 2000 even though we have added 30 million extra people to the population since then.


#7 Since December 2007, median household income in the United States has declined by a total of 6.8% once you account for inflation.



#8 According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 16.6 million Americans were self-employed back in December 2006. Today, that number has shrunk to 14.5 million.


#9 A Gallup poll from earlier this year found that approximately one out of every five Americans that do have a job consider themselves to be underemployed.



#10 According to author Paul Osterman, about 20 percent of all U.S. adults are currently working jobs that pay poverty-level wages.



#11 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs.



#12 Back in 1969, 95 percent of all men between the ages of 25 and 54 had a job. In July, only 81.2 percent of men in that age group had a job.



#13 One recent survey found that one out of every three Americans would not be able to make a mortgage or rent payment next month if they suddenly lost their current job.



#14 The Federal Reserve recently announced that the total net worth of U.S. households declined by 4.1 percent in the 3rd quarter of 2011 alone.



#15 According to a recent study conducted by the BlackRock Investment Institute, the ratio of household debt to personal income in the United States is now 154 percent.



#16 As the economy has slowed down, so has the number of marriages. According to a Pew Research Center analysis, only 51 percent of all Americans that are at least 18 years old are currently married. Back in 1960, 72 percent of all U.S. adults were married.



#17 The U.S. Postal Service has lost more than 5 billion dollars over the past year.



#18 In Stockton, California home prices have declined 64 percent from where they were at when the housing market peaked.



#19 Nevada has had the highest foreclosure rate in the nation for 59 months in a row.



#20 If you can believe it, the median price of a home in Detroit is now just $6000.



#21 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 18 percent of all homes in the state of Florida are sitting vacant. That figure is 63 percent larger than it was just ten years ago.



#22 New home construction in the United States is on pace to set a brand new all-time record low in 2011.



#23 As I have written about previously, 19 percent of all American men between the ages of 25 and 34 are now living with their parents.



#24 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.



#25 According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, health care costs accounted for just 9.5% of all personal consumption back in 1980. Today they account for approximately 16.3%.



#26 One study found that approximately 41 percent of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.



#27 If you can believe it, one out of every seven Americans has at least 10 credit cards.



#28 The United States spends about 4 dollars on goods and services from China for every one dollar that China spends on goods and services from the United States.



#29 It is being projected that the U.S. trade deficit for 2011 will be 558.2 billion dollars.



#30 The retirement crisis in the United States just continues to get worse. According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, 46 percent of all American workers have less than $10,000 saved for retirement, and 29 percent of all American workers have less than $1,000 saved for retirement.



#31 Today, one out of every six elderly Americans lives below the federal poverty line.



#32 According to a study that was just released, CEO pay at America's biggest companies rose by 36.5% in just one recent 12 month period.



#33 Today, the "too big to fail" banks are larger than ever. The total assets of the six largest U.S. banks increased by 39 percent between September 30, 2006 and September 30, 2011.



#34 The six heirs of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton have a net worth that is roughly equal to the bottom 30 percent of all Americans combined.



#35 According to an analysis of Census Bureau data done by the Pew Research Center, the median net worth for households led by someone 65 years of age or older is 47 times greater than the median net worth for households led by someone under the age of 35.



#36 If you can believe it, 37 percent of all U.S. households that are led by someone under the age of 35 have a net worth of zero or less than zero.



#37 A higher percentage of Americans is living in extreme poverty (6.7%) than has ever been measured before.



#38 Child homelessness in the United States is now 33 percent higher than it was back in 2007.



#39 Since 2007, the number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent.



#40 Sadly, child poverty is absolutely exploding all over America. According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 36.4% of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty, 40.1% of all children that live in Atlanta are living in poverty, 52.6% of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty and 53.6% of all children that live in Detroit are living in poverty.



#41 Today, one out of every seven Americans is on food stamps and one out of every four American children is on food stamps.



#42 In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7% of all income. Today, government transfer payments account for more than 18 percent of all income.



#43 A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.



#44 Right now, spending by the federal government accounts for about 24 percent of GDP. Back in 2001, it accounted for just 18 percent.



#45 For fiscal year 2011, the U.S. federal government had a budget deficit of nearly 1.3 trillion dollars. That was the third year in a row that our budget deficit has topped one trillion dollars.



#46 If Bill Gates gave every single penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for about 15 days.



#47 Amazingly, the U.S. government has now accumulated a total debt of 15 trillion dollars. When Barack Obama first took office the national debt was just 10.6 trillion dollars.



#48 If the federal government began right at this moment to repay the U.S. national debt at a rate of one dollar per second, it would take over 440,000 years to pay off the national debt.



#49 The U.S. national debt has been increasing by an average of more than 4 billion dollars per day since the beginning of the Obama administration.



#50 During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.
50 Economic Numbers About The US That Are "Almost Too Crazy To Believe" | ZeroHedge

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...#comment-91369

You know what's funny about this from an Irish perspective? I live near the American embassy here, and every time I pass it there are at least two or three people outside waiting to (I assume) hand in Visa applications.
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Old 12-17-2011, 11:24 AM   #308
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very scary!
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Old 12-17-2011, 11:45 AM   #309
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I'm sorry sue4u2
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:14 PM   #310
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I've glanced over the first 25 or so and honestly am not surprised, but MI has been struggling with high unemployment (around 15% in some parts of the state depending on the local industries) and a terrible housing market, which was nice for us as first time home buyers, but I truly felt sorry for the family we bought our house from.
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Old 12-17-2011, 01:09 PM   #311
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Geez. I'm so sorry.
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Old 12-17-2011, 04:01 PM   #312
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Some of those I've heard and some I haven't.

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#44 Right now, spending by the federal government accounts for about 24 percent of GDP. Back in 2001, it accounted for just 18 percent.


#45 For fiscal year 2011, the U.S. federal government had a budget deficit of nearly 1.3 trillion dollars. That was the third year in a row that our budget deficit has topped one trillion dollars.

#47 Amazingly, the U.S. government has now accumulated a total debt of 15 trillion dollars. When Barack Obama first took office the national debt was just 10.6 trillion dollars.
Liberals, explain to me again how we need MORE government spending to stimulate the economy.
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Old 12-17-2011, 04:20 PM   #313
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In my opinion, it's not necessarily how much you spend, but where you spend it. My guess is a large part of that spending goes to the military and the debt was only exacerbated by fighting two wars at once.

I love how the national debt was "just" $10.6 trillion at the beginning of Obama's term.
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Old 12-17-2011, 04:38 PM   #314
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No offense, FG, but shouldn't this be in the "We're Fucked" thread?

Because by reading this list, we certainly are.
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:17 PM   #315
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I had forgotten about that thread, but certainly I have no problem if they are merged.
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