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Old 11-22-2011, 02:05 PM   #286
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If Iran, who quite often associates with terrorists, gets a nuke, it's not going to stay just a "European problem" for long.
That's a big assumption. So once again, not our problem.

We don't need to send any more young men and women to risk their lives and limbs in another shithole.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:23 AM   #287
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The USA will collapse, it's merely a question of when, not if. If the capitalist state the USA has created will not destroy it, it's dependance on a finite resourse (oil) will. And that looks to run out around 2035 at the human races current rate of consumption.
If the USA collapses, so will the rest of the world.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:25 AM   #288
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Of course it should be mentioned that Obama kept much of Bush's spending in place and in fact increased it in several areas.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:30 AM   #289
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3 words - tax the rich!
Agreed! The Capital Gains Tax needs to go back to 35% at least. Clinton reduced it from 28% to 20%, and Bush reduced it from 20% to 15%.

Most of the "income inequality" occurs because of capital gains which is wealth from stocks, bonds, property etc. This wealth needs to be taken and put back into the economy, paying for defense or reducing the debt.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:36 AM   #290
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a vast percentage of US debt is to China
the Chinese have already stated they deem the US is guilty of irresponsible behaviour over the way this has been handled
the damage has been done and the interest rate the US will have to pay over their debt will increase

I don't much understand much about US politics, but I do understand a fair bit about economics
and the US is playing an incredibly dangerous game
if they haven't lost the game already
But remember, China exports far more to the US, than the US does to China. China's continued growth is heavily dependent on exports to the United States. In the overall game, China, developing country, needs the United States, more than the United States needs China.
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Just to clear up an oft-repeated misconception:

Only about 8% of United States public debt is held by China. (source) If you are seeing larger numbers, it is referring to the fact that China holds 26% of foreign-owned U.S. Treasury Securities.
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Old 11-27-2011, 03:04 PM   #292
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Just to clear up an oft-repeated misconception:

Only about 8% of United States public debt is held by China. (source) If you are seeing larger numbers, it is referring to the fact that China holds 26% of foreign-owned U.S. Treasury Securities.
Good point. There are lots of countries around the world that hold $Billions of dollars worth of US public debt.
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Old 11-30-2011, 11:21 AM   #293
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oh i'm sure there's loads of other options... just look at how our leaders swiftly pulled the plug on wikileaks/Assange basically showing that they could shut down/cripple any operation, bring down governments even (look at the impact of credit ratings right now), by withdrawing financial/credit services alone if they really wanted to...

i mean, really, when you think about it, they could do that in any situation... they could even use it for good to shut down crime networks, drug rings, etc., but weirdly choose not to...
so they did go for the sanctions approach then...

UK breaks with Iran, but can anything sway the regime? | World news | guardian.co.uk


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The EU will look at expanding the list of Iranian individuals and organisations subject to targeted sanctions for their connection to nuclear and missile activities. There will also be an undertaking to look at more far-reaching measures in the New Year, including a severance of ties with the Iranian banking system and a ban on imports of Iranian crude, although Greek dependence on such imports will be a stumbling block.
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:51 AM   #294
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Diplomatic isolation, funnel money to the opposition and hope they get the military on their side the next time around.

Otherwise it's a European problem.
It wouldn't be anyone's problem, really. In its 32-year existence, the Islamic Republic of Iran has never carried out offensive action against another nation. In the Iran-Iraq war, it was Iraq that invaded Iran, not the other way around.

Also, the claims that Ahmadinejad has said that he plans on "wiping Israel off the map" are the result of a deliberate mistranslation. What he actually said was that Israel will "crumble like the Soviet Union". And as we all know, the Soviet Union fell apart without anyone firing nuclear missiles at it.

If Iran were to procure nuclear weapons, it would just be as a show of power. They wouldn't actually be stupid enough to use them, as they know full well that the much bigger American, Israeli and European military will crush them in an instant.

In conclusion, this whole Iran threat is hyped-up nonsense. It's nearly election time and Obama needs a pointless war to boost his poll results.
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All I want when I hear whatever American politician talk tough about Iran is for them to say how the fuck we would pay for any action there.
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The Saudis should pay for it.
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The Saudis should pay for it.
I need to find pictures of the billions of dollars of U.S. military equipment they have bought and is just sitting around in the desert.
(at least they buy shit that people need to build in factories instead of just buying our debt like China does )


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Old 12-01-2011, 12:25 PM   #298
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Well, your gas is cheap, no?
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Well, your gas is cheap, no?


not like it used to be. thanks Obama!
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:29 PM   #300
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not like it used to be. thanks Obama!
it should be though, with all the reserves the US is sitting on... the US just needs to start pumping its own oil... it has plenty! lol
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