corianderstem
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When I talked about "acceptable risk" and flying, I wasn't talking about taking away all security measures. I'm suggesting, as many others are, that they've become unreasonable and are reactionary.
But the willingness to be assaulted in the name of "safety," the willingness to allow a Constitutional right to be continuously violated, and the willingness to "sacrifice certain personal liberties" IS fear...You keep defending the policies that allow those women and men to be assaulted.
pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN).
PETN is a plastic explosive that was used by so-called shoe-bomber Richard Reid and is considered by terrorism experts as the weapon of choice of Al Qaeda bombers.
wow.Another lovely TSA story.
Has anyone on this board travelled lately?
Are most travellers at airports cowering in fear -- or looking over their shoulders, or worse, turning in Muslim travellers out of suspicion?
Or are most travellers simply annoyed by the inconvenience, but focused on primarily getting to their destination?
I think the fear of Americans is overrated.
I would agree. What I'm missing from most of the objections to this latest round of restrictions is reasonable alternatives. I actually agree that the latest changes are reactionary and not very effective, but I think that's been true of most of the other changes they've made too--the liquids, the removal of shoes etc. Apparently, Israel's approach is absolutely untenable here. So what are the alternatives? We've heard people eloquently decry these new techniques, so about some equally eloquent alternatives. Because right now, most of the opposition I'm hearing here sounds a lot like the Republican opposition to "Obamacare"--a lot of dire predictions no alternative solutions.
I don't agree that any of the changes made since 9/11 including the most recent have made us any safer or are particular effective.
If I haven't, I'll just bend over like the rest of you and slowly watch whatever rights I thought I have get taken away in the name of terrorism.
Is it hypocritical that some who raised no objections to the Patriot Act are screeching now, sure, but that's predictable since that directly inconvenienced far fewer people, and if anything it illustrates how important organizing the opposed to fight back in a maximally concerted way is.
OTTAWA—Canadian airport screeners have no plans to introduce the kind of “provocative” pat-downs that have sparked protests and riled passengers at airports across the United States, Transport Minister Chuck Strahl says.
“Canadians obviously have a right to expect to be treated properly and respectfully at airports,” Strahl told reporters Wednesday.
“While the Americans have instituted a more intensive ... pat-down technique, that's not happening in Canada. ... They have no intention of doing that,” he said in the House of Commons' foyer.
I often wish they would, but of course the problem for them isn't that the average American actually believes our government could ever keep them 100% safe. It's that if the government acknowledges that it can't, that statement WILL be seized out of context and used against them sooner or later--like, say, the next time there's a terrorist attack (or nightmarishly close call) and the public is still reeling from shock. As the IRA once told Thatcher, "You have to get lucky every time; we only have to get lucky once." It only makes that worse when the enemy has no clear face.NOTHING our government can do will keep us 100 percent safe from terrorism, and someone should admit to that to the American public soon, and in very serious and honest terms.
the thing i still can't get over re: the outrage over the pat downs is that if you'd just go through the machine then you won't get a pat down.
the thing i still can't get over re: the outrage over the pat downs is that if you'd just go through the machine then you won't get a pat down.
soooo why isn't all the moral outrage about the machines? or do we only have the attention to be outraged over one thing at a time these days?
door #1... a non evasive, mild dose of radiation that is less than that of the average cell phone, which will take a picture of your body that your own mother wouldn't be able to recognize
door #2... someone who hates their job, has to deal with all the miserable shits who travel every day, who probably gets yelled at, harassed, sneezed on (or worse) all day long grabbing my junk.
door #1, please.
Not necessarily.
As pointed out in the story above, women wearing pads or pantyliners are pulled aside for a patdown of their genital area because the pads show up on the scanner.
Women? This is happening to every woman wearing a pad?
If you believe that then what possible argument is there for continuing to support this invasive, ineffective and expensive procedure?
Explosives found in house include PETN
Published: Nov. 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM
ESCONDIDO, San Diego Calif., Nov. 26 (UPI) -- Searches of a California house where a blast injured a landscaper last week yielded blasting caps and a potent plastic explosive, sheriff's officers said.
Among the items found at the house in Escondido were chemicals, including pentaerythritol tetranitrate, known as PETN, grenades and other weapons, the San Diego County Sheriff's Office told KGTV.
PETN was used by would-be airline shoe and underwear bombers, officials said. The new body scans at airports are meant to detect it.
Resident George Jakubec has been in jail since the landscaper was injured. He is being held on explosives charges in lieu of $5 million bail.
Most of the explosives, which were found Wednesday, were left in the house because it is too risky to move them but deputies were working on a disposal plan, authorities said.
"This is a very cluttered environment. There were items that were just stacked on every open spot," Assistant Sheriff Ed Prendergast said.
"Proactive operations on site have been suspended," he told the Los Angeles Times. "Explosive material and hazardous chemicals remain within the house."
Chemicals from a shed on the property including 4 liters of hydrochloric acid, 1 liter of nitric acid, 25 gallons of sulfuric acid and 50 pounds of hexamine, CNN reported.
Perhaps lesson number one for the airport security is not to see their paying customers as 'miserable shits'. I don't think it is too much to ask for the security staff to treat the people who pay their wages with courtesy, dignity and respect.
Headache is right, it just takes a few seconds to walk through the machines, who cares? I sure don't.
I am more worried about the long term effects of my iPhone radiation frying my brain.
the amazing irony is that these people who are deathly afraid of passing through the backscatter machine because of radiation are getting on an airplane, where they will be exposed to a hell of a lot more radiation than they will from passing through the machine.
And it's the cumulative effect of all of the radiation that I don't think anyone really considers.
Hell, doesn't the European Union forbids pregnant flight attendants from flying once they reach 6 months or something like that?--Socialists that they are.
Death or injury by terrorism is a minute threat to Americans. Cancer is almost a certainty on a long enough timeline.