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Old 12-29-2009, 10:01 PM   #61
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This is totally absurd. Business class travelers in particular are going to be thrilled about giving up 90 minutes of work time. WTF is even the point of paying for business class anymore in those circumstances?

I'm sure all terrorists will politely only act in the last hour of flight.
You realize they're still FLYING right?
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:51 PM   #62
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right, cause the civil liberties group from san francisco knows EXACTLY how CBP operates.

The pattern of complaints can't be ignored though - for every complaint filed, there are perhaps hundreds of incidents. I have a Chinese-American friend (a US citizen) who takes his family to China every so often, and he mentioned that he no longer flies in through SFO because of harassment there. I think even yolland had posted that she was "detained" in a room by CBP for a while, without explanation. The "very limited rights" at the border seems unconstitutional - it's as if anyone reentering the country is considered a suspect or something.
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:38 PM   #63
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You realize they're still FLYING right?
What?
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:48 PM   #64
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it's okay because australia's fucking awesome and the us sucks and americans are stupid.
We have that printed at every Australian airport



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Old 12-30-2009, 12:01 AM   #65
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Ironic that my brother in law is on the "watch list" for air travel and is usually pulled aside for additional search and questioning, but this clown was not even after being reported by his own father.

My solution involves a lot more dogs, since people apparently are not doing the job. Let a dog work every bag.
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I'd rather be sniffed by a dog than body-scanned by some random clown from the TSA.
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:07 AM   #67
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So if we all insist that these new procedures are fucking stupid, and we fill out the little cards, they'll stop?
im talking about customs & immigration stuff. the "new procedures" you speak of are most likely the new TSA and airline guidelines. again compairing TSA to Customs is also apples and oranges.
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The "very limited rights" at the border seems unconstitutional - it's as if anyone reentering the country is considered a suspect or something.
actually it is the constitution that gives them that power.

US Constitution Annotated - Border Searches
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it's nothing personal, they are just being vigilant and doing their jobs.
True. No matter how inconvenient, or how rude one or more of them might be (having a bad day or just being an ass), you're better off being ultra-cooperative and polite.

It's always been my impression from colleagues or friends who've had trouble that giving a customs official any type of grief - even in body language, tone or facial expressions - can get you flagged for extra attention in the future.

Is that true bigjohn?
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I'd rather be sniffed by a dog than body-scanned by some random clown from the TSA.
i'd rather be body scanned and through the lines in 10 minutes than the current 40+ minutes at almost all times for what gets done (completely ineffectively) now.
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It's always been my impression from colleagues or friends who've had trouble that giving a customs official any type of grief - even in body language, tone or facial expressions - can get you flagged for extra attention in the future.
So involuntary facial expressions or tone (especially after a long flight) are considered grief? In that case everyone should rehearse in a monotone in advance. How about travelers who are ultra-cooperative and polite, and get a secondary search anyway for no good reason?
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So involuntary facial expressions or tone (especially after a long flight) are considered grief? In that case everyone should rehearse in a monotone in advance. How about travelers who are ultra-cooperative and polite, and get a secondary search anyway for no good reason?
they're just doing their job. if they're just asking standard questions and a person starts getting rude with them or something, i don't blame them for then asking more questions or something. i would imagine their belief in the matter is if you have nothing to hide, a few questions shouldn't bother you. if you start getting testy, then maybe you do. again, i'm not saying i think this or anything, but just what i'd imagine they find out in training or something.
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they're just doing their job. if they're just asking standard questions and a person starts getting rude with them or something, i don't blame them for then asking more questions or something. i would imagine their belief in the matter is if you have nothing to hide, a few questions shouldn't bother you. if you start getting testy, then maybe you do. again, i'm not saying i think this or anything, but just what i'd imagine they find out in training or something.
I'm referring to situations in which they go beyond the standard criteria, and bring in personal biases or profiling, as has been alleged. I agree they're doing their job when they stick to the guidelines of their job description. When they exceed those guidelines, however, they are no longer doing their job.
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Is that true bigjohn?

how am i supposed to know?

yeah, certain body language can be indicators that the person is up to something. however, the officer must take into account the person could be tired, cranky, etc etc and isnt doing anything wrong. and just because a passenger gives you shit doesnt always mean they are hiding something, and doesnt always mean the officer will use that as reason for further inspection. 9 times out of 10 they will say "have a nice day" and send them down the road, as long as everything else is ok. it's the officer's descretion.
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How about travelers who are ultra-cooperative and polite, and get a secondary search anyway for no good reason?
might be random inspections, issues with their documents, matching a name or description of someone they are looking for, etc etc.
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