bigjohn2441
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i fly armed, so i bypass all that TSA bullshit
I was once involved with an Israeli Arab. An Israeli Arab who was a pacifist, and well enough known that the idea of him being suspicious on any grounds other than ethnicity was absurd. Everyone told me I should just lie on those little forms where you have to say where you'll be staying, rather than writing down an Arab name. I didn't want to lie. The result was that every single time I entered the country, I had to go through long, long interrogations, including things like questions about our sex life, delightful extra body searches, etc.
CastorpI Yesterday 01:38 PM in reply to hilzoy
A friend of a friend is an Arab Israeli. When I met him he had just returned to Israel after doing an accounting course in the US. Israeli customs officials interrogated him forever and kept asking why he didn't stay in the US. Welcome home!
The TSA is a government agency, still subject to the Constitution.but how does this apply to getting on a private airliner? something you choose to do?
they have metal detectors and searches at every school in new york city... should we get rid of them, because the majority of the people who pass through them aren't criminals?
^ Like that doesn't happen here? Did you also try Googling for stories from Americans who are (or appear to be) of Middle Eastern or South Asian ancestry, who felt they were singled out by TSA on that basis? As I've mentioned previously, I'm quite certain it's happened to me, and I won't even start on things Arab and South Asian friends of mine have experienced here.
What I don't really understand is why the scanners are an advantage over metal detectors. If you beep through the metal detector they run a hand-held device over your body sans sexual assault.
If I were a frequent flyer (pilot, flight attendant, business flyer) or a celebrity (hmm naked pic on porn sites or creepy extra groping), I would be livid.
Well it's not just metal we are looking for anymore.
Celebrity naked pic? Have you seen the images?
Bombs with plastic or ceramic detonators, guns that are made of non-metals, a stick of dynamite the list is huge...What else does it find exactly?
Well any picture can be easily manipulated, you can place this celebrity's head on this naked models body, these are all over the internet.Yep. Have also now seen that they are stored by the thousands and can be easily manipulated with widely available graphics software.
Regardless of the quality of the image, there's no getting around it being a privacy violation.
And likely a health hazard for frequent flyers.
One of the main criticisms of the scanners, which have already been installed at 19 airports in the U.S., is that they cannot detect low-density materials such as powders, liquids, thin pieces of plastic or anything that resembles skin. Nor can they detect any explosives concealed internally.
"Look at prison systems, where searches are far more invasive — they still can't stop contraband from being smuggled into the system," he tells TIME. But when it comes to the full-body scanners, Stewart says the bigger concern is that authorities may be diverting scarce security resources away from more proven measures, like training airport staff to detect suspicious behaviors in would-be attackers before they board planes. "We have a tendency to over-rely on technology, especially Americans, instead of human intelligence," he says.
It's only a matter of time before a terrorist shoves a powder bomb in a condom up his ass like a drug smuggler.
I'm just irritated that some people want secure flights but don't want anything to change, and others just want to complain and not offer alternatives.
I'm just irritated that some people want secure flights but don't want anything to change, and others just want to complain and not offer alternatives.
Who are you referring to?
So these people were complaining that security wasn't good enough before the scanners? Really?
Well this is similar to the we haven't had another attack on US soil so Bush was winning the war on terror logic...That virtually 99.999999999999% of flights are safe but complainers aren't offering up ways to close the gap? Really?
What doesn't make sense? So since we haven't had attacks means everything's cool? Isn't this what we thought pre 9/11?None of this makes any rational sense whatsoever.
Yes, are you honestly saying you haven't heard these people?
Well this is similar to the we haven't had another attack on US soil so Bush was winning the war on terror logic...
What doesn't make sense? So since we haven't had attacks means everything's cool? Isn't this what we thought pre 9/11?
If you troubleshoot I'm sure you could easily think of a half dozen ways how you smuggle something on the plane.
All Israeli airplane flights have at least one agent or two with a concealed firearm on board.
Guns are good to have in the hands of good guys.
The bad guys will always have weapons intent on evil.