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Old 10-23-2012, 06:37 PM   #16
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But if one were going to define "ancestor" from the beginning of time then we can all argure that we're all related, we all have ancestors that were kings, queens, slaves, and we all have ancestors that inveneted fire.
I know you're just being facetious, but even this isn't true. A simple way to disprove the invention of fire ancestry is that there were hundreds of thousands of whatever species of primitive man on Earth at the time one of them invented fire (Probably didn't happen that way, but anyway); he or she wasn't the only one to procreate after that... The majority of us aren't related to that person, if any. Same thing goes for Kings and Queens; the percentage of the procreating population in those times who weren't Kings or Queens is far greater than the percentage that were. A common descendent with a King or Queen? If you go back far enough, of course, but likely so many generations removed that it becomes irrelevant. Not to mention that those families tended to... keep to themselves... when it came to creating descendents
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Thanks for proving my point.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:22 AM   #18
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Thanks for completely missing my point and not understanding what 'ancestor' means. I was saying your point is illogical. By your logic, Chimps are ancestors to Humans
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Old 10-24-2012, 06:46 AM   #19
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Jive, I'm not going round and round with you on this. Please go back a few posts, I'm not defining ancestor this way... I was being illogical on purpose to make a point, apparently you missed that.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:48 AM   #20
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Smack your head all you want, BVS, but your examples you used didn't make any sense. You might as well have said "Well, then you could argue we're all related because dishwasher chocolate lab toilet paper roll". Even throwing out the fact that ancestry doesn't only mean the beginnings of the family name or only going back a few generations, my point was that your example of going back to the "beginning of time" (lets say "the beginning of the species" instead, which is perfectly reasonable and would still constitute an ancestor) STILL doesn't make us all ancestors of kings. In short, you pointed out that Pearl's use of 'ancestry' was incorrect by showing that you don't know how it works either.
Its also funny how you're suddenly not going to go 'round and round' with this when thats been your MO since you got here. Stop projecting.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:10 AM   #21
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Your mo is starting to form in a similar way. Just sayin'...
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:27 AM   #22
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Tends to happen when you try to converse with people who refuse to acknowledge they're wrong and contradict themselves from one post to the next. Just sayin'. And even then, I'd say that accusation is pretty much baseless
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OK I'm confused. To me you guys are saying the *exact* same thing...
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:40 PM   #24
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Id agree we were trying to make the same point. I was merely pointing out that BVS' example wasn't quite making the point he wanted it to. I thought I pointed it out very matter of factly and politely, then he replied a little passive aggressively
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Either way, I'm sure we can all agree that white people claiming to be descendants of slaves in not on par with black people being descendants of slaves because it wasn't as recent, and it shows insensitivity.
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Either way, I'm sure we can all agree that white people claiming to be descendants of slaves in not on par with black people being descendants of slaves because it wasn't as recent, and it shows insensitivity.
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"Slavery is widely misunderstood, and as such has been a tool for hustlers and demagogues. Slavery has been part of the human condition throughout recorded history and everywhere on the globe."

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Walter Williams: Are there any benefits from slavery?
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2012-10-23 12:00:49

Jon Hubbard, a Republican member of the Arkansas House of Representatives, has a book, titled "Letters to the Editor: Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative." Among its statements for which Hubbard has been criticized and disavowed by the Republican Party is, "The institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth."

Hubbard's observation reminded me of my 1972 job interview at the University of Massachusetts. During a reception, one of the Marxist professors asked me what I thought about the relationship between capitalism and slavery. My response was that slavery has existed everywhere in the world, under every political and economic system, and was by no means unique to capitalism or the United States. Perturbed by my response, he asked me what my feelings were about the enslavement of my ancestors. I answered that slavery is a despicable violation of human rights but that the enslavement of my ancestors is history, and one of the immutable facts of history is that nothing can be done to change it.

The matter could have been left there, but I volunteered that today's American blacks have benefited enormously from the horrible suffering of our ancestors. Why? I said the standard of living and personal liberty of black Americans are better than what blacks living anywhere in Africa have. I then asked the professor what it was that explained how tens of millions of blacks came to be born in the U.S. instead of Africa. He wouldn't answer, but an answer other than slavery would have been sheer idiocy. I attempted to assuage the professor's and his colleagues' shock by explaining to them that to morally condemn a practice such as slavery does not require one to also deny its effects.

My yet-to-be-learned lesson – and perhaps that of Rep. Hubbard – is that there are certain topics or arguments that one should not bring up in the presence of children or those with little understanding. Both might see that explaining a phenomenon is the same as giving it moral sanction or justification. It's as if one's explanation that the independent influence of gravity on a falling object is to cause it to accelerate at 32 feet per second could be interpreted as giving moral sanction and justification to gravity.

Slavery is widely misunderstood, and as such has been a tool for hustlers and demagogues. Slavery has been part of the human condition throughout recorded history and everywhere on the globe. Romans enslaved other Europeans; Greeks enslaved other Greeks; Asians enslaved Asians; Africans enslaved Africans; and in the New World, Aztecs enslaved Aztecs and other native groups. Even the word slave is derived from the fact that Slavic people were among the early European slaves.

Though racism has been used to justify slavery, the origins of slavery had little to do with racism. In recent history, the major slave traders and slave owners have been Arabs, who enslaved Europeans, black Africans and Asians. A unique aspect of slavery in the Western world was the moral outrage against it, which began to emerge in the 18th century and led to massive efforts to eliminate it. It was Britain's military might and the sight of the Union Jack on the high seas that ultimately put an end to the slave trade.

Unfortunately, the facts about slavery are not the lessons taught in our schools and colleges. The gross misrepresentation and suggestion in textbooks and lectures is that slavery was a uniquely American practice done by racist white people to black people. Despite abundant historical evidence, youngsters are taught nothing about how the founding fathers quarreled, debated and agonized over the slave issue.
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"The institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth."
Wasn't this sincerely expressed here in FYM before? This line of thinking isn't as uncommon as many would think(hope).
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