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Old 05-03-2010, 10:11 AM   #1
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Skinny Jeans Defense

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An Australian man was acquitted of rape Friday when a jury ruled there had to be "collaboration" to remove the woman's tight size 6 skinny jeans.

Jury acquits accused rapist; rules woman's skinny jeans so tight, she must have helped remove them

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Old 05-03-2010, 10:29 AM   #2
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I never heard of this defense, gee they come up with new ones all the time

I don't think all "skinny" jeans are necessarily that tight that they can't be taken off by someone else-especially if that person is determined to carry out an angry, violent act. Bootcut jeans can be just as tight or tighter, maybe there should be a bootcut jeans defense too. Whatever works for you.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:32 AM   #3
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I think there are shitheads in the world who will pull any assinine thing out of their ass because they think the victim is somehow at fault.

Victim blaming never goes out of style.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:38 AM   #4
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The article is pretty vague and makes it sound like a he-said-she-said case regardless of what she was wearing.

Skinny jeans are tapered jeans at the bottom. They aren't necessarily any tighter at the top than any other type of jeans.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:53 AM   #5
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I think it's just a bad article because of the original source (Daily Mail)

A rape can also still occur even if she did help remove the jeans-it leaves out the entire aspect of verbal and non verbal coercion, threatening, intimidation, and fear. Even if someone does remove clothing they can still decide at any point after that they do not want to have sex.

I can't believe courts go along with this
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Old 05-03-2010, 12:45 PM   #6
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The "skinny jeans defense" has become more common in rape trials all over the world.

In 2008, a South Korea jury overturned a rape conviction for the same reason.

An Italian jury upheld a rape conviction in 2008 when lawyers brought a skinny jeans defense, saying "jeans cannot be compared to any type of chastity belt."
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Old 05-03-2010, 12:57 PM   #7
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Gee, and people wonder why a lot of women are hesitant to report being raped.
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They're just asking to get raped when they walk around like that, wearing those skinny jeans.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:12 PM   #9
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The article is pretty vague and makes it sound like a he-said-she-said case regardless of what she was wearing.

Skinny jeans are tapered jeans at the bottom. They aren't necessarily any tighter at the top than any other type of jeans.



perhaps there was a demonstration in the court room

like the O J trial, "If the glove does not fit, you must acquit."
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They're just asking to get raped when they walk around like that, wearing those skinny jeans being women and just, you know, existing.
I'd say "ha ha, fixed that for you," but I can't even be all jokey about it, since it's starting to feel like this is society's view sometimes.

It's always "she was raped," not "that man raped her."

It's always about the things that women should do to avoid being raped: don't walk alone, don't drink, don't wear a skirt, don't wear something tight, don't exist.

She should have run, she should have screamed, she should have fought harder, she shouldn't have a list of previous sexual partners that people can point to as proof that she's "loose."

You know how long the list would be for men to avoid raping women? One item: Don't rape anyone.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:20 PM   #11
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I think it's just a bad article because of the original source (Daily Mail)

A rape can also still occur even if she did help remove the jeans-it leaves out the entire aspect of verbal and non verbal coercion, threatening, intimidation, and fear. Even if someone does remove clothing they can still decide at any point after that they do not want to have sex.

I can't believe courts go along with this
It can still occur but that doesn't mean no one has ever been falsely accused. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen, since I'm not on the jury there's not nearly enough info in the article for me to even want to have an opinion one way or the other. Just because it's a stupid defense does not mean the person is guilty. The jeans really do not change how I think about it one way or the other.
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Yeah, to be clear, I'm talking ranting in general, not about this case in particular (other than the stupidity of the jeans excuse that juror gave).
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I think if I were on the jury, I may have wanted to convict him.

Rape is a terrible crime. Stranger rape, date rape, a john can rape a prostitute, a boyfriend can rape his girlfriend and husband a wife. All sex should be consensual.

But this jury had six women, they all voted to acquit.

How much reasonable doubt does one need to say, 'not guilty'.

Each article spins this a little different, I am sure the trial involved more than just 'skinny jeans', I sure hope it did.
Did she report the rape as soon as she left his apartment? Did she stay the night and make breakfast the next morning and wait 3 weeks to report the rape?

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Nicholas Gonzalez is charged with sexual assaulting a woman who was consoling him over the loss of his girlfriend. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, Gonzalez claims that the sex was consensual as there was no possible way he could take her skinny jeans off without her assistance.

Read more: Skinny jeans as a rape defence - FP Legal Post
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23-year-old Nicholas Gonzales met the woman in a bar in Sydney, and went back to his place to listen to some music. When they went to his bedroom so Gonzales could play the drums, the woman said he pushed her onto his bed, and jumped on top of her.
"I struggled to try to get up for a while and then he undid my jeans and he pulled them off," then raped her, the 24-year-old woman testified. Gonzales said the sex was consensual.
The woman admits she was wearing size-6 skinny jeans, but she said she had no problem getting in and out of them.
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CAN a woman wearing skinny jeans be raped? Or are they so tight they can be taken off only with her consent?

These are some of the questions a jury asked before acquitting a Sydney man of sexual assault.

Nicholas Eugenio Gonzalez was accused of raping the 24-year-old as she consoled him about breaking up with one of her friends.

The jury of six men and six women heard Mr Gonzalez, 23, had allegedly pushed the woman on to his bed, ripping off her size six skinny jeans and underpants before the attack.

In his defence, Mr Gonzalez, a navy cook, said the sex was consensual.

During the trial the jury sent a note to the judge asking for more information about ''how exactly Nick took off her jeans''.

''I doubt those kind of jeans can be removed without any sort of collaboration,'' the note read.
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perhaps there was a demonstration in the court room

like the O J trial, "If the glove does not fit, you must acquit."
if the hem does taper, then he didnt rape 'er
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Old 05-04-2010, 12:19 PM   #15
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"Nicholas Eugenio Gonzalez was accused of raping the 24-year-old as she consoled him about breaking up with one of her friends."

Revenge (as in: let him pay for the breakup)?
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