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Old 03-23-2009, 07:58 PM   #46
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Bono is still far left, remember what he said about an Israeli dream and a Palestinian dream? Remember the way he tagged that bit on the end about a Palestinian dream, thinking no-one would notice? It's a really far left kind of extreme viewpoint to talk of such things as a Palestinian dream, communists talk like that. I only hope Bono is not an Al Qaeda sympathiser, like most communists and social democrats.

I was really culturally shocked that he would be so bold and daring. Really daring and provocative stuff.
I don't think he tagged it on the end so no one would notice, he paused so people would notice.

"To be united, to be one, is a great thing, but to be tolerant, to respect difference, maybe an even greater thing"
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Old 03-23-2009, 07:58 PM   #47
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I really don't know what the big deal is with Bono saying "a Palestinian dream."

Can't people dream of peace and no war in the world? Why would people want countries to fight or have civil wars take place? To have a dream that people won't die of that fighting and of war. I don't think that wanting peace in the world and especially in the middle east makes you a leftest, a communist, daring, bold nor is it provocative.
It makes you human.
Reverse the meaning of every single clause in my post, you will see what I am saying.

To be clear, tagging a meek little '...and a Palestinian dream' onto his speech is not bold, daring or provocative and Bono is not far left - not now and never has been.
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Old 03-24-2009, 11:02 AM   #48
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Oops sorry, I get very passionate about peace and war etc.
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Old 03-24-2009, 12:53 PM   #49
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Interesting, your very first foray into FYM was about how Bono and the rest of U2 were a bunch of socialists...
My idea of far left is communism. They are not communists. From Edge's own words they are social democrats. Communists are obsessed about nationalization of all companies. The band members believe in markets existing and private ownership but they differ from conservatives in that they want large amounts of redistributionism. Of course it's easy to look at Edge's Malibu home and the band's insistance that they move the company's finances to a tax haven for artists and say that in practice they are no different from any rich people. McGuiness and Bono have already made some positive comments about generally low taxes in Ireland being helpful. I don't expect consistent remarks from rock stars and their managers. The economist did a study some years back and found that most people said yes to more spending and lower taxes despite the contradiction.

So in words and what they say they usually sound like democratic socialists but they clearly didn't like the overly Marxist punk rock movement and reacted against it from the beginning. Pure Communism is such a dead idea in North America that how I was taught in Poli Sci class is that socialism would be redistributionists (over 50% or more GDP controlled by the government via spending programs). Basically some European countries like Sweden are like that (though they lowered their corporate taxes greatly). Even neo-conservatives agree to some safety net, though not at the levels of a social democrat. The left and right have been moving to the center for a long time.

Since I've discovered this rating system I've been looking at Economic Freedom differently because redistributionism is not the only aspect of government intervention. Law and regulation have a either positive or negative affect on the how free people feel:

Country rankings for trade, business, fiscal, monetary, financial, labor and investment freedoms

I'm sure I've learned a lot since my first posts so please understand that. As much as I like to have an opinion on everything I'm not God. My intention as I get older is to never stop improving my knowledge and learning never stops for me. I also hope that those who debate here or anywhere have a similar attitude. Trying to discover politics, economics, philosophy, and science is not easy when that's not your field of expertise. It's popular to do the specialization route because we need it for work but it's still important to keep general knowledge of other paths so we don't get too much tunnel vision.
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Old 03-24-2009, 03:40 PM   #51
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Okay people, I just got another respose from Mr. Marsh. It seems that he actually responding to things I had written, not just attacking me.

< First of all, let me correct you in your article title. Bono is not and cannot be called Sir even though he was knighted. Because he is an Irish citizen, he cannot have the title of “sir” before his name.>

“Cannot”? I don’t need permission to call him Queen of the May. And I think it’s really a “must” situation—so that all can remember, and never forget, that this boastful Irishmen bent the knee to the queen of the land’s historic enemy, merely the most open of his traitorous acts.

< Just because you thought you had the big gig, the big story, an all out exclusive to have a debate with Bono, gave you the right to sandblast him across your column when he reneged>

Darling, it really really wasn’t my idea and I was fucking dreading spending an hour listening to the pompous little shit prattling on. And I’ve been sandblasting the motherfucker for about 20 years so let’s lay that particular line of star-struck bullshit to rest, OK? I did NOT “offer” him a debate. He proposed one to me. If you continue to say that the situation was otherwise, I will bring so many witnesses to the slander trial, you’ll think you’re at a U2 show.

You are welcome to consider Bono “genuine.” I have been observing him for many years and have come to the conclusion that he is a fraud.

I would not piss on your misperceptions but you wrote to me, directly, so I am responding.

As to who is better informed, we could have seen but the singer took the coward’s way out.


Do you believe this is from a journalist?
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:04 PM   #53
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my response to end his tyrade.

I do appreciate you responding to me, not matter how rude and crude you replied. It is obvious that we are at different ends of the spectrum on the subject at hand.

Sometimes if you take a stand in the world you can move it. The stand you have taken, isn't moving anything.

Best wishes & Regards to you Mr. Marsh.
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Piece. of. work.

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Piece. of. shit.

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Old 03-24-2009, 07:32 PM   #56
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R U talking about him?
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did Mr. Marsh have anything to say about the Springsteen/WalMart thing?
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Old 03-24-2009, 07:36 PM   #58
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R U talking about him?
lol yes of course! was I wrong to assume AliEnvy was also referring to him in a sarcastic tone?
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Old 03-24-2009, 07:52 PM   #59
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Of course, Mr. Marsh! Although I will admit that his little tirade while juvenile and ridiculous was rather entertaining.

Keep poking him, JCOSTER hehe, go for an all out meltdown.
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