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No, let the bells ring as they are now. 6 50.00%
Partially wrong, maybe they could of turned down the bells a bit.. 5 41.67%
Yes, <> the church was wrong and Phx along with the whole USA is going to hell in a hand basket. 1 8.33%
Church bells, music/chanting from Mosques should be protected within reason 0 0%
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:55 PM   #16
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The first clocks had to be wound up every few hours. So of course they weren't greatly reliable. And of course generally not affordable for peasants or other poor households. Alternatively you could use sun clocks but of course it's not as precise. So clock towers and bells were the best way to keep everyone's clock correct.
It's also not only churches that have clock towers and bells. Town halls, parliaments and other public buildings, even some schools, have at least clocks and often even bells. Big Ben, for example, is the clock tower of the parliament. But in villages the churches were the only buildings big enough, and since they apparently had to compensate for other things churches were always built on top of the highest point in the village.
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Old 05-14-2009, 08:20 PM   #17
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rock n roll aint noise pollution. church bells, though? hells yeah... wait, no.

any noise which is above an acceptable residential restriction level is too much.
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:58 AM   #18
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My thinking is ring the church bells reasonably, which means:

-not every hour, maybe 2 -3 times a day.
-not so loud it would wake up people trying to nap during the days.

I think compromise was needed from both sides, and could have been achieved, but now the Bishop has the potentail of a jail sentence.

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Old 05-15-2009, 03:25 AM   #19
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That's true, and I can see that being annoying. Perhaps real good earplugs can fix that?

And I didn't realise these weren't real bell sounds. Kinda odd they're faking it. If it's just digital, just turn the volume down a bit.
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Old 05-15-2009, 03:49 AM   #20
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:07 AM   #21
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Hmm, I've never lived anywhere where the local churches did this.

I understand ringing the bells before and after services, but what's the point in ringing them at other times? Does it serve some actual religious purpose?
Not really anymore, I mean it's sort of like a clock chime on the hour but these days most people have their own clocks The church I have in mind I think does it more as a historical thing - old church with a long history, yadda yadda. On Sundays they ring out hymns.

I actually like them and don't mind. They must be dang loud really annoy or even wake somebody. I hear much louder noises from houses next door or kids outside. The tornado siren practices are much MUCH louder (granted they only run once a month) though still not loud enough to wake me since last time they went off in the night for real I didn't wake up.

I guess if they really are too loud, then turn them down and/or ring less often. But I wouldn't ban them simply because they are "church" bells.
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Ugggh, my college had bells that chimed every hour in addition to a glockenspiel version of popular oldish songs. "My Favorite Things" is one that I remember and a few others from the Sound of Music. The bells were loud enough. It was really annoying if you were anywhere in the area, so I definitely sympathize.

I doubt he's going to serve jail time/pay a huge fine, or very little of either if he does. This is just one of those "principle of the thing" sentences. If they let him get away with noise pollution then that opens up a loophole to the law.
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so, i'm reading the title of the thread again, and now i'm confused -- who fell? did someone fall from the bell tower? is that why this is an issue?
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There's a church behind my parent's house. A few years ago when I was home for Christmas, a few times a day they had an extended loop of electronic bells playing Christmas carols.

That would have been fine and dandy and even pleasant ... had the electonic bells not been out of tune and with a really unpleasant tone. It was laughably horrible. Thankfully, it was only once or twice a day for a time during the holiday season.
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This could only happen to a Christian place of worship.
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This could only happen to a Christian place of worship.
My town blocked a Buddhist Temple due to parking issues.
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Nice try though...
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There've been disputes in neighborhoods of several US cities over the local mosque's calls to prayer being too loud, too. And this isn't the first church to draw complaints for its 'bells' being too loud. Based on the video embedded in the article diamond linked, it sounds like the real problem in this case was that the bishop chose to respond nose-thumbingly to the first complaint and do nothing, rather than attempt to work out some sort of compromise.
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