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Old 09-06-2013, 01:14 PM   #76
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Actually, this issue is refreshing, as for many on both sides of the isle, the repetitive partisan narrative in Washington has been replaced with a collective WTF!?!
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:45 PM   #77
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the best result we can hope for, i think, is for Congress to vote no, and then for Obama to listen, and then kick it to the UN.
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:21 PM   #78
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I have to admit that, though I don't doubt that a not insignificant number of Republicans are opposing action simply because Obama is for it, I'm glad to see a general reluctance on this matter. It's an awful situation, and I frankly don't see any action taken unilaterally by the US as ending well for us.

At the same time the thought of not taking any action when faced with the use of chemical weapons on civilians just does not sit well with me. But barring a joint effort with buy in from the major UN players, I just don't see a good solution to this.
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Old 09-06-2013, 03:56 PM   #79
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Best solution yet
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:10 PM   #80
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Not that sounds like a good one for many reasons

But to be serious again, I'm glad to see resistance in Congress. It could be the memory of Iraq, or the fact that there is no good solution here.
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:12 PM   #81
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we can't send them to Syria! there's another Obamacare vote scheduled for next week.
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:25 PM   #82
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we can't send them to Syria! there's another Obamacare vote scheduled for next week.
Depending on the outcome, will you still support the idea?
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:38 PM   #83
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Are we supposed to believe that this is REALLY about chemical weapons?
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Please tell us: what is it REALLY about?
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The US deep rooting influence in the Middle East out of American interest? Seizing the opportunity.
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:51 PM   #86
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I don't know but I smell a rat.

I guess it was OK when the US helped supply Iraq with chemical weapons which they used in the Iran/Iraq war in the 80's.

Oil pipelines perhaps?
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:03 PM   #87
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I think people, in general, just don't want to deal with complicated issues. They aren't comfortable just saying...'this is a tough decision, there is no clear answer'. Or looking back at history and dealing with the uncomfortable context of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. And so in lieu of getting comfortable with that discomfort, they place an Order over the Chaos. And so we get conspiracy theories about oil.

That's much easier to digest.
And the buffoonery or Vietnam or Iraq only emboldens that stuff.

Whereas the truth is pretty much what it is. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. That's going to be true w/r/t the U.S. for our entire lifetime. And people on all sides taking shots at anything and everything we do. Democrats in charge, Republicans in charge, doesn't matter. We can't win. Whether it's with our own people or the people from the peanut gallery who will never understand the burden. We can't win.

Get used to it.
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Please tell us: what is it REALLY about?
It's really about Iran. And Israel.

Like EVERYTHING is. *sigh*
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sorry, you are wrong

It's about Israel. And Iran
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We need to develop some sort of consistent approach to dealing with atrocities. The US shouldn't have to go it alone. There should be a UN consensus that when certain things are clearly happening whether it be genocides or the use of chemical weapons or whatever there should be a consistent international response.

I tend to lean away from U.S. involvement without the backing of some sort of UN Coalition. I don't see the argument for why the U.S. should carry greater moral responsibility than the rest of the world for acting against atrocities.
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