Should smoking be illegal?

[ladyfreckles]

A few friends and I were talking about smoking tobacco, the risks associated with it, and whether or not it should be illegal. They brought up some interesting viewpoints.


Pros of smoking tobacco:
- Generates money from taxes.
- Relaxing/Aids Anxiety and depression
- Is part of a long tradition/ has been done for a long time.
- Weight loss.
- Seems to help prevent certain kinds of ulcers.

Cons of smoking tobacco:
- Has a serious carcinogenic effect.
- Causes part of your body such as your skin, hair and teeth to yellow.
- Addictive.
- Smoking-related diseases kill one in 10 adults globally.
- Every 8 seconds, someone dies from tobacco use.
- Risk of birth defects if cigarettes are smoked during pregnancy.
- Secondhand or passive smoke alone can cause significant increase in various diseases/risk of cancer. The effects are even worse for the one smoking.
- Smoking does not just hurt you, it hurts the people around you.

What do you think?

I'm of the opinion that prohibition does not solve anything and just forces things into an underground market. I am unsure of what a good alternative, besides strict laws about when/where you can smoke, would be.

 

[cobl04]

No I don't think so, though I'm more anti about this than I used to be. I'm glad you can't smoke indoors at most places here. I used to enjoy a cheeky fag when I was drinking, but I haven't had a full one since April 24 last year. Just makes me feel yuck.

I do wish they'd legalise pot though. I very much enjoy smoking weed, as infrequently as it happens.

 

[Kieran McConville]

Make it illegal and watch it go underground. Simple as that.

The policy toward pretty much all drugs is hopelessly confused. Sending-a-message, pragmatism, revenue-raising.

 

[BVS]

North America is definitely backwards on this subject. We've banned things far less harmful without a blink of an eye yet turned a blind eye on cigarettes. We've criminalized marijuana, which is much safer regarding long term health. I think part of the reason is that it's difficult to reverse gears on something like this. I'd like to see us someday be consistent about the things we allow ourselves to put into our bodies on a daily basis.

 

[anitram]

No, it should not be illegal, but it should be regulated as it is now - ie. no sales to children, no smoking indoors in enclosed spaces, on planes, etc.

 

[digitize]

Much as I dislike it, I don't think it should be illegal. As a non-smoker who detests the smell of cigarette smoke, I have benefited a lot from the public smoking bans that have popped up just about everywhere in the past decade, both directly and indirectly by the fact that I think they've helped to stigmatize public smoking. However, part of me does feel bad for the business owner. I'm not sure if I ideologically agree with that sort of regulation or not. In a way, though, I'm not sure if it's totally relevant. Society in the US seems to be moving away from tobacco. Eventually, businesses have to change their policies anyway to maximize profit. I think public smoking laws have just accelerated this.

I feel roughly the same way about marijuana, as long as there are absolutely enormous penalties against smoking pot and driving. Legalizing hard drugs is a little too much for me, except for maybe non-addictive psychedelics (LSD, shrooms). At the very least, I don't think they should be excluded from medical research, as they are in the US.

Alcohol has the potential to destroy lives, as I've seen first-hand. I've seen marijuana wreck people too, but I have a hard time thinking that it's any worse.

 

[financeguy]

Yes it should be illegal and funds allocated to help people give up.

The current policy is pure hypocrisy - in reality, governments love the fact that many people continue to smoke as they need the revenues for their tax coffers.

 

[financeguy]

We've criminalized marijuana, which is much safer regarding long term health.

Marijuana can cause severe, difficult to treat, mental illness. I don't think you'd be calling marijuana safe regarding long term health if you'd been sectioned in a mental institution with marijuana-induced pychosis.

 

[BVS]

Marijuana can cause severe, difficult to treat, mental illness.

Do you have any reliable science I can look at?

 

[Jive Turkey]

Studies show that it may speed up the onset of schizophrenia, but isnt the cause

 

[digitize]

Marijuana can cause severe, difficult to treat, mental illness. I don't think you'd be calling marijuana safe regarding long term health if you'd been sectioned in a mental institution with marijuana-induced pychosis.

I've heard of things like this, but my impression is that it's fairly rare for marijuana to have such negative effects, no? I've seen smart people become lazy, unmotivated, and apathetic from pot (this is a very unscientific observation, mind you, and not universal - and keep in mind that this is all just from my observations), but I've never actually heard of a specific person falling into deep mental illness from it.

I came across this a few weeks ago, but I question its legitimacy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18283689

 

[BVS]

Studies show that it may speed up the onset of schizophrenia, but isnt the cause

Yeah, this is the only science I've ever seen linking the two.

 

[mama cass]

cannabis can exacerbate symptoms of schizophrenia (fact, Merck), and i've read that it can trigger psychosis in susceptible individuals... (have seen that happen first hand, actually)

the thing with cannabis is, if you smoke it, it's equally damaging to the lungs as cigarettes...

when it's drunk or eaten it can cause pancreatic cancer... although i have friends who drink it as a herbal teas, for "health" benefits...

it's mad though, in the little town i used to live in, in the UK, half the people i knew were on antidepressants, and the other half smoked weed, and it's pretty much the same here among people i know in my rural community in France, figure that out! lol

 

[PhilsFan]

Gotta use a vaporizer to smoke it. Much cleaner.

 

[IWasBored]

The information is out there, no one who starts smoking today does it not knowing its addictive, expensive, and bad for you. If adults want to make poor decisions that harm themselves but not others, let them do it. If I want to drop $8 bucks for a pack of smokes, let me get my copd in peace.

I was going to suggest we bring back prohibition and ban cheeseburgers, but I was afraid not everyone would realize it was a joke and start quoting statistics of alcoholics and people with severe over-eating disorders vs folks addicted to product containing a naturally addicting, and ridiculously difficult substance to quit. But if people are allowed to slowly kill themselves via baconator, I should be able to give myself lung cancer. It's not like I'm fucking up my liver and expecting to get a transplant later or anything.

 

[Jive Turkey]

Gotta use a vaporizer to smoke it. Much cleaner.

A friend uses one almost exclusively. I don't generally smoke weed; I swear it must affect me differently than most people. There's no way anyone can enjoy what it does to me. But I tried on the vapourizer and it was a much more mellow high. I think for that reason, some people might be turned off smoking it that way. But again, I can probably count on one hand, the amount of times I've smoked weed in the last 10 years, so maybe someone more experienced can chime in

 

[Liesje]

I don't think it should be illegal but I wouldn't be sad if it was. Is that fair?

 

[PhilsFan]

A friend uses one almost exclusively. I don't generally smoke weed; I swear it must affect me differently than most people. There's no way anyone can enjoy what it does to me. But I tried on the vapourizer and it was a much more mellow high. I think for that reason, some people might be turned off smoking it that way. But again, I can probably count on one hand, the amount of times I've smoked weed in the last 10 years, so maybe someone more experienced can chime in

I just want to fall asleep. But the vape is a much more pleasant method, the few times I have partaken.

 

[LemonMelon]

Marijuana can cause severe, difficult to treat, mental illness. I don't think you'd be calling marijuana safe regarding long term health if you'd been sectioned in a mental institution with marijuana-induced pychosis.

This made me laugh so hard I about cried.

Must be all the weed.

There is no science proving marijuana to "cause" mental illness. That's absolute bullshit. There are many case studies proving marijuana to exacerbate specific mental illnesses in individuals that are susceptible to those particular issues, but certainly nothing to prove causation. The best I've seen is a rough correlation between those who smoke pot before age 12 and future issues with depression. People have been smoking pot for a long, long time, so you'd think we would have discovered some long-term side effects by now. Nope. Smoking anything is harmful to your lungs though.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

No, it should not be illegal, but it should be regulated as it is now - ie. no sales to children, no smoking indoors in enclosed spaces, on planes, etc.

This .

I'm of the belief that you can put whatever you want into your own body and that's your issue to deal with. But it is nice when smokers are mindful of those who don't smoke and don't care for the smell.

Which, I will say, is the case with everyone I know who smokes. They've always been very respectful and I appreciate that. And if I am on their property, I don't tell them to stop just because I'm there. If it bothers me that much I can always leave.

 

[mama cass]

compared with the UK, attitudes to smoking are still shockingly dire here in France - people still smoke around children and babies, smoke when pregnant, even people you would think were incredibly well-educated, etc... it's pretty bad and drives me completely nuts! it's pretty much THE national past-time...

 

[mama cass]

Gotta use a vaporizer to smoke it. Much cleaner.

is that the "bong"? (sorry, old lady moment LOL)

i thought that was actually meant to be worse? i.e. it's too pure and you end up inhaling like a billion times more than you would normally? no?

 

[cobl04]

Oh please tell me you North Americans don't call bongs "vaporizers". That is ridiculous.

 

[indra]

Oh please tell me you North Americans don't call bongs "vaporizers". That is ridiculous.

She's not North American. ;-)

 

[mama cass]

She's not North American. ;-)

i think cobl was referring to PhilsFan ha

[i'm with cobl - i've never heard it described as a "vaporizer" before lol]

 

[indra]

i think cobl was referring to PhilsFan ha

[i'm with cobl - i've never heard it described as a "vaporizer" before lol]

Wait...you were the one who wrote: is that the "bong"? after quoting PF mentioning a vaporizer.

Vaporizers and bongs are two different things. A vaporizer uses heat to release the compounds in pot without actually burning it.

 

[Jive Turkey]

A vapourizer isn't a bong. Cobbler, please don't tell me you guys call gas stations 'servos'

 

[mama cass]

Wait...you were the one who wrote: is that the "bong"? after quoting PF mentioning a vaporizer.

yeah i was asking if it was the same thing, and i think cobl assumed it was the same thing too and that North Americans called it a vaporizer instead of a bong? LOL

Vaporizers and bongs are two different things. A vaporizer uses heat to release the compounds in pot without actually burning it.

ahhhhhhh okay!

as you can see, i'm clearly clueless, being such a naive, sheltered, clean living girl myself

 

[PhilsFan]

Yeah, vapes are totally different from bongs. Hopefully everyone is clear on that.

 

[ladyfreckles]

This made me laugh so hard I about cried.

Must be all the weed.

There is no science proving marijuana to "cause" mental illness. That's absolute bullshit. There are many case studies proving marijuana to exacerbate specific mental illnesses in individuals that are susceptible to those particular issues, but certainly nothing to prove causation. The best I've seen is a rough correlation between those who smoke pot before age 12 and future issues with depression. People have been smoking pot for a long, long time, so you'd think we would have discovered some long-term side effects by now. Nope. Smoking anything is harmful to your lungs though.

It can induce psychosis though. Like all mind altering substances it should be used with caution. However this isn't a thread about cannabis and I really hope it doesn't derail into such.

As for the argument about putting in your body whatever you want, I can agree to a degree. Someone else pointed out that we should ban cheeseburgers and while that's extreme I do think we should start making it difficult to buy mass quantities of food (i.e. get rid of the supersize menu). If you want to drink 64oz of soda at once that's fine by me but you're going to have to go out of your way to do it.

I don't think it should be illegal but I wouldn't be sad if it was. Is that fair?

That's kind of how I feel.