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Old 06-27-2012, 08:39 AM   #76
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Also, college opened up opportunities for me that I could have never accessed on my own, such as career networking events like the business dinners where the Business Club would invite people from all the big companies around, and opportunities to travel (we were required to spend time away in order to graduate, North America and Western Europe did not count).
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:57 AM   #77
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i couldn't do my job without my degree and all my training - i was a terrible student though, i wasn't particularly interested in studying, was so unmotivated, but was kind of stuck on the academic train lol! i just wanted to go far away, and be independent, and that was my only way out... lucky for me i guess i found it very easy to get thru my studies, doing the minimum work, having loads of fun, but still getting really good grades... also back then, i had a maintenance grant, did 3 part-time jobs for extra cash, and didn't have to pay fees as the state covered those at the time, so there was very little pressure - those days are long gone now though, sadly!

i really do worry about the future for my kids - things are so different and so very precarious now...
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:07 AM   #78
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Except that's exactly what I'm suggesting and I never suggested taking away choice. Make the bad foor more expensive and the good food more affordable will really help people out. Many people eat "bad" foods because it's the cheaper option.

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This is incorrect. Go to the grocery store and price out a week's worth of healthy meals. You're spending far, far less than you would eating fast food every day. As someone who eats a lot of Wendy's/taco hell/shotty gas station sandwiches because I'm lazy and those are my available options at work at night, I can tell you my eating habits cost a hell of a lot more money-wise than they do on my days off. The only time healthier food is really more expensive, is if you're talking about the super organic free ranged 8 dollars for a tomato crap out there. Regular produce is just fine, and that's mainly just a marketing ploy to prove upper middle class and wannabe hippie trust fund babies are just as stupid as the rest of us. The only way "bad" food is cheaper by comparison is if you're talking about someone who eats ramen every single day for every meal. Because no, nothing is ever cheaper than salt water and white noodles. Otherwise, this argument drives me nuts. There is nothing cheap about a ten dollar supersized McDonald's double quarter pounder meal, it comes down to laziness.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:14 AM   #79
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I think bad food being "cheaper" is about more than just the actual price of the ingredients. I'll admit I often get lazy and stop somewhere to "grab" something (not Big Macs though, usually some sort of sandwich that is made in front of me). For me it's not just the price of food but the "cost" of having to shop around for ingredients and the time it takes to make the food. Also right now with it often being about 100 degrees and humid which means 90 degrees inside the house, there's no way in hell I'm turning my *oven* on to cook meals and prefer not to use the gas stove either. It "costs" me less to just buy a cheap meal on the run because it doesn't involve any prep work or inconvenience to me. We have a really nice fresh market at the end of our block and have been shopping there a lot for fruits, salad stuff, and meats, but the food is really fresh, eat it within a day or two or its not good. It's hard for me to get into the habit of having to grocery shop every other day when I'm used to doing it once every other week. So yes it does come down to laziness which for me translates to the cost of my time and other factors that I often am not willing to deal with on a daily basis for every meal.
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I figured that since ladyfreckles has been arguing that Unhealthy/giant-sized portions should be much more expensive than healthier, more reasonable options, she meant actual costs and not figurative time/convience factors. Some people do actually believe that cost-wise, low income inner city residents go for burger king over heavier options because it's what is financially accessible and readily available. Hell, subway is cheaper, better for you, and I swear we've got more of them here than we do your typical fast food joints (although since they dont have a drive-thru...). Now, if someone suggested limiting ebt purchases (I'm not sure what that translates to outside of Massachusetts, essentially food stamps) to not include two liter bottles of soda and potato chips and even smokes, I'd be all in favor of that. I do ever so enjoy seeing my tax dollars go to pay for the fatty in line in front of me to buy Ben and jerry's at 7-11 because he has anxiety and can't work. 7 billion people on the planet now? Guess what. 7 billion people have anxiety. It's a naturally occurring human emotion. But I digress...wasn't this thread about smoking? I'm gonna go burn one.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:23 AM   #81
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I think there is something to be said for bad food being cheaper, though.

You can go buy how many boxes of KD or imitation KD for a buck? Packs of ramen noodles? Or those boxes of Rice-a-Roni or whatever else you can sometimes buy for like 69 cents. Or get a frozen pizza on sale for $3.99. Or a pack of hot dogs. Those are typically bad decisions made and they are a lot cheaper than fast food and also a lot cheaper than making a meal from scratch.

If you live alone, it gets even more expensive because a lot of times you might buy produce that goes to waste because you can't eat it as fast as it will go bad and you also don't have time to go to the grocery store every other day.

I know that when I lived in NYC, you had neighbourhoods in Harlem where you'd literally walk for blocks and blocks on end and not see fresh fruit or vegetables aside from the odd banana or tomato. So your options are either to eat crappy canned food that's full of sodium or pay to get on transit and go buy food that way.

Yes, you can eat cheaply if you shop very carefully, plan all your meals and so on, but for people who have poor eating habits, picking up a box of KD is a super easy and much cheaper solution than anything else.
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:09 PM   #82
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I think a huge part of the benefit of college is learning HOW to learn.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:04 PM   #83
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A few friends and I were talking about smoking tobacco, the risks associated with it, and whether or not it should be illegal. They brought up some interesting viewpoints.


Pros of smoking tobacco:
- Generates money from taxes.
- Relaxing/Aids Anxiety and depression
- Is part of a long tradition/ has been done for a long time.
- Weight loss.
- Seems to help prevent certain kinds of ulcers.

Cons of smoking tobacco:
- Has a serious carcinogenic effect.
- Causes part of your body such as your skin, hair and teeth to yellow.
- Addictive.
- Smoking-related diseases kill one in 10 adults globally.
- Every 8 seconds, someone dies from tobacco use.
- Risk of birth defects if cigarettes are smoked during pregnancy.
- Secondhand or passive smoke alone can cause significant increase in various diseases/risk of cancer. The effects are even worse for the one smoking.
- Smoking does not just hurt you, it hurts the people around you.

What do you think?

I'm of the opinion that prohibition does not solve anything and just forces things into an underground market. I am unsure of what a good alternative, besides strict laws about when/where you can smoke, would be.
I question whether anything good can come from smoking. It does not seem to help weight loss really and the anxiety smokers experience when its been a little longer than usual since their last smoke does not in my view make it an anxiety reducer but an anxiety producer.

There are 29 states in the USA that have statewide bans in public places like bars, eating establishments, and other public areas. Its hard to believe that the other 21 states have limited or no such bans at all. Those laws allow a small minority of people to risk and compromise the health of innocent people.

Also the idea that business would be hurt by bans is false given what we have seen from the 29 states that have bans as well as countries in Europe. Hell, if smoking is banned in Ireland, then even West Virginia and Alabama should have it banned. Not saying Ireland is a hick land, far from it, but the consumption of beer and smoking was very widespread before ban went into effect.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:06 PM   #84
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North America is definitely backwards on this subject. We've banned things far less harmful without a blink of an eye yet turned a blind eye on cigarettes. We've criminalized marijuana, which is much safer regarding long term health. I think part of the reason is that it's difficult to reverse gears on something like this. I'd like to see us someday be consistent about the things we allow ourselves to put into our bodies on a daily basis.
Well, there are 29 states with full state wide ban, plus I think there is a move to have a nationwide ban by 2020.
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To me something is not really "banned" if it is still sold. Smoking is already "banned" in a lot of places, but that doesn't mean you can't smoke. Our city "banned" smoking in public areas and certain types of places but no one I know that smokes has quit or even cut back.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:21 PM   #87
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You can't really make it illegal.... I mean, that would just be over the top. I am not a smoker and never have been, but making smoking illegal would be good enough reason to make drinking illegal as well.
It is good enough that there is a law which prohibits people from smoking in restaurants/pubs etc. That certainly makes it more tolerable for us non-smokers. Everyone knows that smoking is not the best for your health...so the ones who choose to do it are doing it knowing that they are harming themselves. Freedom of choice.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:27 PM   #88
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But it isn't supposed to train you for that. I'm not sure why you think that these days university degrees are tied into job training. They most certainly are not.

The reason that people tend to look at undergrad degrees even for secretarial positions (like we do when we hire legal assistants) is because if you have 10 equally good people competing who have a BA and maybe 4 who don't (because that's really a realistic ratio these days), then why wouldn't we go for the person with a BA who has 4 extra years of maturity, who has written major papers and we know with some degree of certainty is fairly literate and capable to do some critical thinking? It's not that we think that they're better trained to be a secretary, it's just that if the choice is there, why not go with it? If the choice wasn't there and all we had was applicants with high school degrees, it isn't as if we wouldn't hire anyone - we would, and could probably be happy with their work. But that's not reality these days.
Stenographers don't need critical thinking skills, and a BA doesn't impart any either, for that matter. Critical thinking skills are innate.
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Stenographers don't need critical thinking skills, and a BA doesn't impart any either, for that matter.
Way to pick a profession that's going to be obsolete very shortly, lol.
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critical thinking skills are developed. the brain is a muscle. some people have bigger muscles than others, but they can always be exercised.
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