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Old 03-07-2010, 02:59 AM   #46
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You mean other than appointing a "pay czar" to control CEO pay and Wall St. bonuses and that sweeping new entitlement called "Universal Health Care"?

Answer the rest tomorrow.
Were you upset by Reagan's czars?
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You mean other than appointing a "pay czar" to control CEO pay and Wall St. bonuses and that sweeping new entitlement called "Universal Health Care"?


The "pay czar" is only there in so far as they are getting government money. It is not a permanent thing. It is saying "taxpayers are giving you this money in the middle of a deep recession, you're not going to Cancun with it." Now that the banks are paying TARP money back, they are moving out from under the constraints of the "pay czar" who will soon not be working anymore. The 10 or however many big banks that are getting TARP money in no way represent widespread wage and price controls.

CEO pay and bonuses in every non taxpayer controlled institution are still privately set. Obama has not proposed to change this.

I can't count the number of times you have had it pointed out to you that Obama has no designs on controlling the economy from any objective reading of the facts.

I hear so much from Palin and Brown and everyone else on the right about the "socialist bailouts"(that they supported) are you really capable of holding a vehement anti wall street view while at the same time opposing restrictions on how they spend taxpayer money? That's ok, its just shows the lack of logic on the right... Obama is a socialist and a Wall Street pawn at the same time. That is impossible, but strongly believed by Scott Brown.

Health care reform is NOT an entitlement program. That is just a fact. Legal Definition of Entitlement Program

Entitlements are given to everyone who meets a certain set criteria w/o any discretion as to the level of funding by Congress. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Setting up competitive exchanges and giving some sliding scale subsidies that are subject to change and conditioned on a number of things(not just age or income level like entitlements) is NOT an entitlement program.

Neither you nor anyone else against the health care bill has shown you understand any of what is actually in the bill. The main parts:
1.)You like your current health care, you keep it.
2.)Competitive exchanges for consumer choice. Helps reduce costs. Private companies participate, its not government run.
3.)Prohibitions on the denial of coverage for preexisting conditions, on dropping coverage arbitrarily, etc.
4.)Individual mandate and subsidies to make policies more affordable for consumers and small businesses. Tax breaks for small business to buy health care. A modest assessment on large corporations who do not make reasonable contributions to employee health care.
5.)Pilot programs on preventive care, medical malpractice reform, pilot programs on changing the payment system, etc are all put in place with an explicit goal of implementing the reforms that are found to save money.
6.)Improvements in Medicare quality for seniors and increased payments to physicians. Cuts in unnecessary, wasteful medicare advantage plan.
7.)The whole deal reduces the deficit by $132 billion over 10 years, CBO speaking, not me.

1-7 all have widespread popular support when Americans are polled.

1-7 have all been proposed at one time or another by Republicans.

1-7 in no way represent socialism or a new entitlement to anything.

1-7 were part of what the new Republican hero Scott Brown supported strongly in Massachusetts.

The people support what is actually in the bill.

They do not support what you and your friends say is in the bill, but no one would, that's why you say it.

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I've heard that a few times and it has never got answered.....I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the talking points sites are down tonight.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:37 AM   #48
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Take that up with KhanadaRhodes.
uh, except i didn't say that. try reading it again.

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Indy and Khandarhodes were not making the same argument. Khandarhodes acknowledged that FDR passed some good legislation, but that it ultimately took WW II to get us back to where we were before the Depression. That is very, very true.
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Why?
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You mean other than appointing a "pay czar" to control CEO pay and Wall St. bonuses and that sweeping new entitlement called "Universal Health Care"?

Answer the rest tomorrow.
How is preventing government bailout money from being pocketed by CEOs a price control? Wasn't that something almost universally accepted by everyone involved? Are you FOR that money being pocketed?

Were you for or against the czars in Republican administrations?
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How is preventing government bailout money from being pocketed by CEOs a price control? Wasn't that something almost universally accepted by everyone involved? Are you FOR that money being pocketed?

Were you for or against the czars in Republican administrations?
He doesn't know what he is for, so hence all the drastically different things that come out of his mouth at the same time without any sense or irony.

The right were the first to scream and cry when 2008 bonuses that the bailout restrictions did not apply to were paid about this time last year. They blamed this on Chris Dodd, when in fact if it was not for Chris Dodd, we would have had a $700 billion bailout with no strings attached and no payback mechanism.

That was what Bush's Treasury Secretary Paulson was asking for!!

Geithner was all of a sudden Mr big bad Wall Street greed when bonuses accrued before the Sept 2008 bailout were paid to executives.

If you asked him 2 questions independent of some "control the economy" argument he is trying to make, I bet my bottom dollar he would answer like this:

1.)Do you like the Wall Street bonuses and the executives having a good time with Main Street's money?

Indy:NO.

2.)Who do you think is to blame for this?

Indy:Obama of course, that socialist is controlling our economy. We don't want Wall Street getting our money, we're for regular(very well off) people like Sarah Palin and Scott Brown.
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I find the lack of irony more annoying than the lack of sense.
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Asshole. His atrocious 10.4 Hits per 9 innings after a trade to my Dodgers mid-season is unforgivable.
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heroic asshole?
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Asshole. His atrocious 10.4 Hits per 9 innings after a trade to my Dodgers mid-season is unforgivable.
If every other pitcher on the staff had matched his .750 winning pct the Dodgers would have played the Orioles in October.
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Like I said, it's all been downhill since his first stint with the Fightins.
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Like I said, it's all been downhill since his first stint with the Fightins.
Here's hoping I can soon draw a comparison between Obamacare and the '64 Phillies.
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Here's hoping I can soon draw a comparison between Obamacare and the '64 Phillies.
Ha. I already would say they're not even close since I'm of the opinion Obama's exceeded my expectations for his first year, but I enjoy sports analogies as much as the next guy, so I'm sure it would be fun.
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This still isn't over btw. Now, one of Bunning's twins is blocking Federal workers from being compensated for the lost work that Bunning's shenanigans caused.

Senator holds up bill compensating furloughed Transportation workers (3/12/10) -- GovExec.com
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