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Old 07-03-2012, 04:30 PM   #16
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American Catholics, at least the ones I know, are very laid back about Catholicism. Just go to mass once a week and have your kid play some CYO sport and you are good to go with the Big Man.
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:39 PM   #17
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Perhaps in certain denominations, but Scientology takes it to a whole new level.
Ya, I can agree with this. Plus Jesus wasn't a known pathological liar
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:39 PM   #18
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this is an absolutely amazing article on the director Paul Haggis (Crash) and his split from Scientology. i've posted it before, and it's a long read, but it always begs for new reading:

Paul Haggis vs. the Church of Scientology : The New Yorker
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:19 PM   #19
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Plus Jesus wasn't a known pathological liar
He said He was God. That's either true or one big whopper of a lie.
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:21 PM   #20
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He said He was God. That's either true or one big whopper of a lie.
I can agree with this too. I was trying to be nice
And there's always the third option that he was delusional, but honest.

Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:35 PM   #21
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
Your distaste for Branch Davidians doesn't come up nearly as often.
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:00 PM   #22
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
I'm not religious, but ... the media.
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
Jesus didn't take His followers down with Him when He died.
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
Janet Reno didn't order Jesus's execution?
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
The one that came to mind, right away: Jesus didn't murder anyone.
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The one that came to mind, right away: Jesus didn't murder anyone.
Neither did Koresh.
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:24 PM   #27
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Your distaste for Branch Davidians doesn't come up nearly as often.
My spite is non discriminatory
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:33 PM   #28
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Jesus didn't take His followers down with Him when He died.
Maybe that's right or maybe he and his followers were killed by the government intervention. And even if it were the former, a quick creative flourish and he's suddenly a martyr.

My point is not to belittle the story of Jesus. I'm just fascinated by religion and how it comes in to being. Presumably, those who believe in Jesus are as atheistic on the other religions as me (or at least, all but one other that's just a couple millennia past its best before date), so I don't think my question was an unfair one or even a sacrilegious one for that matter.
All the bullet-points are there. His story somewhat (and I would presume, intentionally) mirrors that of Jesus. Undoubtedly there will be another 'legit' religion to come along and scoop up a ton of followers; I'm fascinated by the idea of someone picking up on a story like his a few decades or a century from now and that becoming the basis for a new worldwide religion. It's not that far fetched.
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The one that came to mind, right away: Jesus didn't murder anyone.
I don't believe he did either. The whole thing is kinda sketchy
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I'm not religious, but ... the media.
Curious what you mean by this
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