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Old 08-25-2013, 01:14 PM   #196
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Ray Kurzweil is a kook. He might've got some things right in the past, but he seems to have spiraled into this weird obsession with death after his father passed away. It seems to have clouded his judgement a great deal.

The idea of living forever is almost as horrifying as being dead forever
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Old 08-25-2013, 01:17 PM   #197
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Ray Kurzweil is a kook. He might've got some things right in the past, but he seems to have spiraled into this weird obsession with death after his father passed away. It seems to have clouded his judgement a great deal
Yeah, I quote him because most people know him. And he is pretty well accomplished.

I do prefer this guy:

Aubrey de Grey: A roadmap to end aging
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Old 08-25-2013, 01:23 PM   #198
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Kurzweil's understanding of technology is also much better than his understanding of biology, which seems to be pretty bad
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Old 08-25-2013, 01:46 PM   #199
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I don't know, man. We can't even figure out how to keep people dying from cancer, heart disease, and countless other ailments and this guy thinks we'll be extending lifespans indefinitely in the coming decades? He's never even clear on how he proposes we do that other than "start getting serious about it" as if researchers aren't already working tirelessly to try and find cures for these things. Not sure I'd put much stock into this
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I don't know, man. We can't even figure out how to keep people dying from cancer, heart disease, and countless other ailments and this guy thinks we'll be extending lifespans indefinitely in the coming decades? He's never even clear on how he proposes we do that other than "start getting serious about it" as if researchers aren't already working tirelessly to try and find cures for these things. Not sure I'd put much stock into this
If you to places like /futurology on reddit, can you find links to breakthroughs they're making every day.
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Old 08-27-2013, 10:50 AM   #201
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Interesting...

Just Thinking about Science Triggers Moral Behavior

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Researchers at the University of California Santa Barbara set out to test this possibility. They hypothesized that there is a deep-seated perception of science as a moral pursuit — its emphasis on truth-seeking, impartiality and rationality privileges collective well-being above all else. Their new study, published in the journal PLOSOne, argues that the association between science and morality is so ingrained that merely thinking about it can trigger more moral behavior.
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:37 PM   #202
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The Dark Age Myth: An Atheist Reviews “God’s Philosophers”

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One of the occupational hazards of being an atheist and secular humanist who hangs around on discussion boards is to encounter a staggering level of historical illiteracy. I like to console myself that many of the people on such boards have come to their atheism via the study of science and so, even if they are quite learned in things like geology and biology, usually have a grasp of history stunted at about high school level. I generally do this because the alternative is to admit that the average person's grasp of history and how history is studied is so utterly feeble as to be totally depressing.

So, alongside the regular airings of the hoary old myth that the Bible was collated at the Council of Nicea, the tedious internet-based "Jesus never existed!" nonsense, or otherwise intelligent people spouting pseudo historical claims that would make even Dan Brown snort in derision, the myth that the Catholic Church caused the Dark Ages and the Medieval Period was a scientific wasteland is regularly wheeled, creaking, into the sunlight for another trundle around the arena.

The myth goes that the Greeks and Romans were wise and rational types who loved science and were on the brink of doing all kinds of marvelous things (inventing full-scale steam engines is one example that is usually, rather fancifully, invoked) until Christianity came along. Christianity then banned all learning and rational thought and ushered in the Dark Ages. Then an iron-fisted theocracy, backed by a Gestapo-style Inquisition, prevented any science or questioning inquiry from happening until Leonardo da Vinci invented intelligence and the wondrous Renaissance saved us all from Medieval darkness.
The online manifestations of this curiously quaint but seemingly indefatigable idea range from the touchingly clumsy to the utterly shocking, but it remains one of those things that "everybody knows" and permeates modern culture. A recent episode of Family Guy had Stewie and Brian enter a futuristic alternative world where, it was explained, things were so advanced because Christianity didn't destroy learning, usher in the Dark Ages and stifle science. The writers didn't see the need to explain what Stewie meant - they assumed everyone understood.

About once every 3-4 months on forums like RichardDawkins.net we get some discussion where someone invokes the old "Conflict Thesis". That evolves into the usual ritual kicking of the Middle Ages as a benighted intellectual wasteland where humanity was shackled to superstition and oppressed by cackling minions of the Evil Old Catholic Church. The hoary standards are brought out on cue. Giordiano Bruno is presented as a wise and noble martyr for science instead of the irritating mystical New Age kook he actually was. Hypatia is presented as another such martyr and the mythical Christian destruction of the Great Library of Alexandria is spoken of in hushed tones, despite both these ideas being totally untrue. The Galileo Affair is ushered in as evidence of a brave scientist standing up to the unscientific obscurantism of the Church, despite that case being as much about science as it was about Scripture.
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Maybe we're all wrong...

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A new cosmology successfully explains the accelerating expansion of the universe without dark energy; but only if the universe has no beginning and no end.
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Old 09-24-2013, 04:45 PM   #204
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Great thing about science is working towards a solution or answer based off of data as it changes.

If this theory were to be true it's due to a better algorithm and data that's presented to us.

Science will try to prove this theory wrong and if it can't then great!

Still better than making a claim its true and I evidence to back it up
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Science will try to prove this theory wrong and if it can't then great!
I agree - that is why I think science is better at describing the observable/testable universe than philosophy/theology.

What's really interesting - if it can be proven that the universe never had a beginning - this would be a major obstacle for Creationism. At least the Big Bang points to a single moment when the universe came into existence (which can actually assist - and certainly does not contradict - a Creationist argument).
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Does this mean CBS will finally cancel The Big Bang Theory?
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Does this mean CBS will finally cancel The Big Bang Theory?
LOL - I guess The Universe Has No Beginning and No End Theory just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Interesting article, but I'd be curious to see what other theoretical physicists have to say about it. My first thought upon seeing the headline was "what about the cosmic background radiation?". Glad that isn't being overlooked. There are other problems to an infinite universe though. For one, our night sky should be lit up like a giant skylight from all the light of every star in the universe having an infinite amount of time to reach us.
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There are other problems to an infinite universe though. For one, our night sky should be lit up like a giant skylight from all the light of every star in the universe having an infinite amount of time to reach us.
Unless the exponential "expansion" is faster than light...just a thought...
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:26 AM   #210
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Unless the exponential "expansion" is faster than light...just a thought...
But the expansion isn't really an expansion in the way we would normally think about it. The space itself isn't moving. More space is being added. It's more of an inflation... interesting thought none the less. And really, what the hell do I know?
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