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Old 08-20-2013, 12:44 AM   #166
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I'm at work, so I want to quickly comment before I can give a more in-depth response later.

I think the less intelligent religious people are those who follow blindly and don't question, either out of fear, brainwashing or other reasons. I think it is possible to believe there is a God and be intelligent. In that case, I would say those people have a more mature relationship with God, as in they know while He may be the boss, they are fully aware that they can't be passive in life and sometimes God wants them to think for themselves so they can grow. I also think they can tell the difference between God's voice and their ego or subconscious.


I think it's a need for certainty.
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:59 AM   #167
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You do not have to be hardcore religious in order to be a good person.
It's easier to be an objectively good person without being hardcore religious
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:09 AM   #168
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I think it's a need for certainty.
As in, that there is a God? I'm not sure what you mean.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:25 AM   #169
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I think it's a need for certainty.
Heard something interesting at church this week: doubt is not the opposite of faith but of certainty. Thought-provoking.
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I think it's a need for certainty.
In a way, both science and theology chase after this. And at the same time - both do permit Mystery.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:24 PM   #171
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It's easier to be an objectively good person without being hardcore religious
I think I agree, but can you clarify? Perhaps you can define "hardcore religious" - I'm not trying to tangle, I'm just curious.
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I think I agree, but can you clarify? Perhaps you can define "hardcore religious" - I'm not trying to tangle, I'm just curious.
Your decisions are never weighed down by dogma.
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Heard something interesting at church this week: doubt is not the opposite of faith but of certainty. Thought-provoking.

Faith requires doubt. I agree.
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:56 AM   #174
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Faith is a need for Order over Chaos.
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Faith is a need for Order over Chaos.
Or perhaps hope that order can made from chaos.
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Faith is a need for Order over Chaos.
What do you mean by this, DM?
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AEON - that is an excellent answer.

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What do you mean by this, DM?
Finding a purpose to the chaos. Placing an order over it.

Is the world inherently (and objectively) chaotic randomness? Mostly, yes.
I am talking mostly about human nature and existentialism. Certainly there is an order to the process of life, for instance. Even the myriad variations. I am talking about reasoning the unreasonable beyond that. A child is killed. It must be God's plan or else any kid anywhere could die at any moment. Religion and faith is the comfort of an order to that chaos. Without it, it's just...a random (to one degree or another) sequence of causations.
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Oh, ok, I see. I was hoping it wasn't a thermodynamics argument... not that I expected that sort of thing from you
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not that I expected that sort of thing from you
Hah. I almost used the word "entropy" somewhere in there but decided I didn't want to go there because I wasn't exactly sure I'd be using it properly.
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I do find Entropy as...well...Biblical.
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