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Old 08-15-2013, 12:10 AM   #136
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Scientists Achieve On-Demand Quantum Teleportation For The First Time

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Quantum teleportation has taken another step forward, thanks to two complimentary experiments, one from ETH Zurich and one from the University of Tokyo. The researchers have demonstrated the most reliable yet version of quantum teleportation--what Nature is calling "quantum teleportation on demand."

In the new experiments, conducted at the 100-micrometer scale and at temperatures of around 20 millikelvins, "Alice" and "Bob" from the example above are separated by about 5 mm. The University of Tokyo experiment managed to induce entanglement deterministically, which had only been done before at distances about 1,000 times smaller. And those previous experiments had only managed to do so reliably about 1 percent of the time, compared to this experiment, which teleported a qubit about 40 percent of the time (and reproduced it on the other end with about an 88 percent accuracy). So this is a huge leap forward!
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Old 08-15-2013, 11:46 PM   #137
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In tonight's show How the Universe Works Hawking said, "Then when we will know the mind of God."

I know he's an atheist, but the fact he can't come up with a a more accurate analogy is actually quite interesting.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:00 AM   #138
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I'm not sure why you're so fascinated when physicists do that. There's no underlying reason that he uses a god as a metaphor for mathematical laws. When I say "I swear to god, if you tell me you like Big Bang Theory or Two and a Half Men, we can't be friends anymore", it doesn't mean I have an underlying, subconscious belief in god. He's just saying it in a way that sounds grand. "Then we will know why the mathematical laws are the way they are" doesn't have the same ring to it
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:06 AM   #139
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He's just saying it in a way that sounds grand. "Then we will know why the mathematical laws are the way they are" doesn't have the same ring to it
Doesn't that - in a way - make my point?
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Doesn't that - in a way - make my point?
I don't know. What is your point?
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I don't know. What is your point?
That there is even a need to make a metaphor for God. That notion doesn't come from nothing.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:27 AM   #142
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That there is even a need to make a metaphor for God. That notion doesn't come from nothing.
The notion comes from the fact that for the past..5/6000 years? (for sure more, but I'm talking what we have evidence for)... humanity, for the most part, believed that a god existed. We're not going to suddenly forget about that. You realize that quote was the last sentence in A Brief History of Time, right? By ending book that way, he harkens back to the millennia of human existence in which the laws that that govern the universe were a complete mystery to us. It's meant to be awe inspiring at the progress of human civilization. If he just ended the book with "for then we would know why the Universe works as it does" - apart from being a fucking boring sentence - it's completely void of any hint at our past. It's metaphor. He doesn't need to make a metaphor for god; he does it because then what he's implying becomes all more powerful; after all this time, we've almost figured it out. Nothing about it suggests that anyone uses a metaphor for god because it's a bit of proof of his existence or because we can't think of anything better. In fact, it almost belittles the idea of a god. "Oh, you're all powerful? We've pretty much figured out how your mind works". What would that make us?
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The notion comes from the fact that for the past..5/6000 years? (for sure more, but I'm talking what we have evidence for)... humanity, for the most part, believed that a god existed. We're not going to suddenly forget about that. You realize that quote was the last sentence in A Brief History of Time, right? By ending book that way, he harkens back to the millennia of human existence in which the laws that that govern the universe were a complete mystery to us. It's meant to be awe inspiring at the progress of human civilization. If he just ended the book with "for then we would know why the Universe works as it does" - apart from being a fucking boring sentence - it's completely void of any hint at our past. It's metaphor. He doesn't need to make a metaphor for god; he does it because then what he's implying becomes all more powerful; after all this time, we've almost figured it out. Nothing about it suggests that anyone uses a metaphor for god because it's a bit of proof of his existence or because we can't think of anything better. In fact, it almost belittles the idea of a god. "Oh, you're all powerful? We've pretty much figured out how your mind works". What would that make us?
To be honest - I'm in my early 40's now, the kids are in bed, the wife is falling asleep, I'm listening to The National, I was thinking about that show I watched earlier in the evening and I thought I would bait you - you've been quiet. And I got a bite!
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hahaha jerk

Well, you got me to think about my response to that in a way I hadn't before, so win win I guess
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The notion comes from the fact that for the past..5/6000 years? (for sure more, but I'm talking what we have evidence for)... humanity, for the most part, believed that a god existed. We're not going to suddenly forget about that. You realize that quote was the last sentence in A Brief History of Time, right? By ending book that way, he harkens back to the millennia of human existence in which the laws that that govern the universe were a complete mystery to us. It's meant to be awe inspiring at the progress of human civilization. If he just ended the book with "for then we would know why the Universe works as it does" - apart from being a fucking boring sentence - it's completely void of any hint at our past. It's metaphor. He doesn't need to make a metaphor for god; he does it because then what he's implying becomes all more powerful; after all this time, we've almost figured it out. Nothing about it suggests that anyone uses a metaphor for god because it's a bit of proof of his existence or because we can't think of anything better. In fact, it almost belittles the idea of a god. "Oh, you're all powerful? We've pretty much figured out how your mind works". What would that make us?
This is actually a VERY good response. I love it. I'll have to google it and see if you stole it
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after all this time, we've almost figured it out.
Well - that doesn't seem too likely. But I think that's a good thing. It just means we have MUCH MORE to figure out and have fun with.
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This is actually a VERY good response. I love it. I'll have to google it and see if you stole it
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Well - that doesn't seem too likely. But I think that's a good thing. It just means we have MUCH MORE to figure out and have fun with.
Ya, you're right on here. But even still, the progress is mind bending
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Ya, you're right on here. But even still, the progress is mind bending
And just imagine what quantum computing will give us in the next 10-20 years. These computers will essentially be able to calculate just about every possible path of existence for every atom - at once. We will essentially have the "mind of God" in a search box.
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Perhaps my understanding of what a quantum computer is might be wrong, but is it not essentially the same as a modern computer, only each bit is able to store more probable information than just the binary off or on? In that way, they have exponentially more memory than a classic computer per bit and can access a given amount much quicker? Also, theoretically, two identical entangled quantum computers could share information instantly at faster than light speed.
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Saw the Krauss vs William Craig debate tonight, the topic was 'is it reasonable to believe there is a God?'

JT warned me about Craig when I first bought it up, but honestly I thought he did pretty well - I'm an atheist so there were plenty of things he said that didn't click with me (in particular the 'historical facts' of Jesus' resurrection and his thoughts on the veracity of scripture) but I thought he debated pretty well.

Obviously I agree with Krauss and a lot of what he said (though there was plenty that went over my head). There was one quite interesting debate between the two about morality... once they took God out of the equation it seemed that they agreed on a lot of the subtleties and smaller things, though ultimately Craig believes it's a god-driven thing where as Krauss does not ("if Dr Craig suddenly stopped believing in God I don't think he'd go and kill his neighbour all of a sudden").

Dr Craig seemed reasonable to me, and personally I think it is 'reasonable' (in a more loose, less scientific sense of the word) to believe in God, many good people I know do. But I really couldn't connect at all with the two things I mentioned above - the "historical facts" about Jesus' resurrection in particular was just absolutely ridiculous, as were the stuff about scripture... when Krauss rightly said scripture is falsifiable because it is based on writings that may have been mistranslated after being passed on by word, and they were written after the fact... and Dr Craig's only argument in return was that the scholars at the time had a good record and wouldn't lie.
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