Sarah Palin, continued.

[maycocksean]

perhaps from a professional standpoint, but from an ideological one? really? you think Olbermann is as Left as Rush/Beck are Right?

I really don't know a thing about this Olbermann guy--which again tells you who has more cultural clout. I don't think Olbermann has ever been on the cover of Time magazine. Both Beck and Limbaugh have. Limbaugh was named one of the most influential people in the world by Time. Beck may have been as well, I don't know. I'm reasonablly sure Olbermann hasn't been.

 

[INDY500]

they also make their money by trashing and discrediting actual journalists, which further increases their market share. why read the newspaper when Rush will read it for you?

Would those be the same "actual" journalists that tried to bury or ignore stories about Rev Wright, John Edward's lovechild, the radical Islamic history of the Ft Hood shooter, the ACORN scandal, Climategate, the success of the surge in Iraq, and many more?

In fact, if you only get your news from The NY Times or NBC News you may still think Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder rather than a case of Sudden Jihad Fever.

 

[maycocksean]

Would those be the same "actual" journalists that tried to bury or ignore stories about Rev Wright, John Edward's lovechild, the radical Islamic history of the Ft Hood shooter, the ACORN scandal, Climategate, the success of the surge in Iraq, and many more?

In fact, if you only get your news from The NY Times or NBC News you may still think Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder rather than a case of Sudden Jihad Fever.

I don't read the NY Times or watch NBC news.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Would those be the same "actual" journalists that tried to bury or ignore stories about Rev Wright, John Edward's lovechild, the radical Islamic history of the Ft Hood shooter, the ACORN scandal, Climategate, the success of the surge in Iraq, and many more?

Maybe I'm watching entirely different news outlets than you are, but these stories got quite a bit of coverage, save for perhaps the surge in Iraq (and I still fail to see how anything relating to Iraq can be called a "success" considering we should never have gone there to begin with, but that's an entirely different topic). Hell, even "The Daily Show" talked about some of that stuff quite a bit.

In fact, if you only get your news from The NY Times or NBC News you may still think Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder rather than a case of Sudden Jihad Fever.

I too have not read The New York Times, and when I heard that story it wasn't on NBC news, if I recall rightly-I certainly heard and read about it in a few news outlets...and honestly, post-traumatic stress disorder was the very first thing that came to my mind. You never know, that could've been a part of it, too. War fucks people up.

Angela

 

[BVS]

Would those be the same "actual" journalists that tried to bury or ignore stories about Rev Wright, John Edward's lovechild, the radical Islamic history of the Ft Hood shooter, the ACORN scandal, Climategate, the success of the surge in Iraq, and many more?

Rev Wright about as relevant as Palin's twisted views about dinosaurs.

John Edward's love child, I don't think the fact that the Enquirer got it first really means someone tried to "bury" it.

Do you mean they tried to bury the fact that the military ignored his history?

Whatever happen to that ACORN scandal, did the pimp get another job? Although I do think it's rather unfortunate that the bi-partisan investigation that ruled it was clever editing didn't get enough press.

If you'd listen to real journalist instead of Rush you'd know there was no "extraction" or Constitution issue in the Obama/BP deal.

 

[martha]

Pretty much everyone--including those of us on the left-- is racist to some degree. Very few people own it.

I try to work on it.

Imagine it was their agenda, antifemnist, antihomosexual, antimulti-cultural that was winning the day. How would you feel? Maybe a little bit scared?

I thought about this while having pesto and watching TCM.

We just got through with 8 years of this, and I remember the Reagan years as well. (I was in college.) I wasn't afraid. I can say that honestly. I was active and did what I could to change things, but fear wasn't my motivation. Concern for the state of our country, sure, but not actual fear. No one whipped me up into name-calling, with threats against those who were on power and examples of spurious history. I didn't envision an apocalypse, (although there were many on the left who did).

So, no, I maintain my disdain for anyone who allows fear to cloud their judgement, who allows it to color their long-term thinking about their country, or who allows someone as proudly stupid as Palin (or Beck or Rush) to guide their thoughts.

 

[Irvine511]

Would those be the same "actual" journalists that tried to bury or ignore stories about Rev Wright, John Edward's lovechild, the radical Islamic history of the Ft Hood shooter, the ACORN scandal, Climategate, the success of the surge in Iraq, and many more?

In fact, if you only get your news from The NY Times or NBC News you may still think Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder rather than a case of Sudden Jihad Fever.

thank you for proving the point exactly.

 

[maycocksean]

I try to work on it.





I thought about this while having pesto and watching TCM.

We just got through with 8 years of this, and I remember the Reagan years as well. (I was in college.) I wasn't afraid. I can say that honestly. I was active and did what I could to change things, but fear wasn't my motivation. Concern for the state of our country, sure, but not actual fear. No one whipped me up into name-calling, with threats against those who were on power and examples of spurious history. I didn't envision an apocalypse, (although there were many on the left who did).

So, no, I maintain my disdain for anyone who allows fear to cloud their judgement, who allows it to color their long-term thinking about their country, or who allows someone as proudly stupid as Palin (or Beck or Rush) to guide their thoughts.

I didn't mean to suggest that you would allow fear to color your judgment, just to suggest that you could see how a decent person could.

 

[U2387]

Would those be the same "actual" journalists that tried to bury or ignore stories about Rev Wright, John Edward's lovechild, the radical Islamic history of the Ft Hood shooter, the ACORN scandal, Climategate, the success of the surge in Iraq, and many more?

In fact, if you only get your news from The NY Times or NBC News you may still think Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder rather than a case of Sudden Jihad Fever.

Indy, my friend!

You can easily find out the amount of time devoted to coverage of each topic by each media outlet.

Look it up some time, and you'll find these issues were far from ignored.

Rev Wright and ACORN were, if anything, blown way, way out of proportion.

Obama never agreed with Wright's expressed views, Wright wasn't a part of the campaign. Obama never worked for ACORN or associated himself with them.

Obama was being held to the absurd standard of having to own the views of pretty much anyone he ever met.

Quick 2 question experiment to demonstrate the MSM is not as liberal as many think it is:

1.)Bush wanted to take us into an unprecedented first strike war because he claimed there was an imminent threat from Iraq. Who in the MSM bothered to question him in the least little bit about how Iraq had all of a sudden morphed into a deadly threat armed with nuclear weapons pointed at Manhattan?

2.)Walk up to anyone on the street.

Mention 2 names:

Rev.Wright

Ted Haggard

Wright will get a response from most people as the crazy Obama guy after a few seconds thought.

Haggard would get 95% of the American public running for google or wikipedia.

 

[martha]

I didn't mean to suggest that you would allow fear to color your judgment, just to suggest that you could see how a decent person could.

I see.

And I think I see.

 

[nathan1977]

perhaps from a professional standpoint, but from an ideological one? really? you think Olbermann is as Left as Rush/Beck are Right?

The problem is that the barometer for Left (at least on this board) is probably somewhere to the right of anarchy. (In the same way that my ultra-conservative friends consider Right to be something along the lines of Attila the Hun.) Everyone's a moderate in their own mind.

 

[Irvine511]

The problem is that the barometer for Left (at least on this board) is probably somewhere to the right of anarchy. (In the same way that my ultra-conservative friends consider Right to be something along the lines of Attila the Hun.) Everyone's a moderate in their own mind.

i suppose it is all about context. if FYM were made up of, say, continental Europeans, it would be dismissed as right-of-center, pro-American ideology.

i don't consider myself a moderate, but i do feel as if i'm entirely reasonable.

though i'm confused about the anarchy thing. what i hear from the right is that we want total 1984-style government control over all aspects of life. which is it? (not a question necessarily directed at you)

 

[nathan1977]

i suppose it is all about context. if FYM were made up of, say, continental Europeans, it would be dismissed as right-of-center, pro-American ideology.

You mean it's not? Huh.

what i hear from the right is that we want total 1984-style government control over all aspects of life. which is it? (not a question necessarily directed at you)

No clue on that score. I'm not sure where libertarians fall on that scale -- they tend to be ultra-limited government as well -- but tend to be more socially liberal as well (gay marriage, marijuana legalization, states' rights, etc.).

I wouldn't be surprised if the typical political labels become increasingly irrelevant in the next twenty years.

 

[U2DMfan]

Don't forget the other axis, y'all. It's not just Left/Right.
Think Libertarian/Authoritarian.

Somewhere to the right of 'Socialism' not Anarchy.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

I tend to be socially liberal and financially responsible. Not conservative or liberal, just responsible. I feel government should play a balanced role-no, of course, I don't want them running every last aspect of my life, but they ARE here for a reason, and I say that if you get competent people in any government, from federal down to local, you will get competent results. So I have no clue where that'd put me on the scale.

I don't think most people here are too extreme in their thinking. Most of you sound pretty much like a lot of people in the U.S. and abroad-liberal on some issues, conservative on others. Heated debates ensue, but so long as everyone's respectful and brings intelligent discussion to the table, I won't hold your views against you if we happen to disagree on something. That's just how life is.

Angela

 

[The_Pac_Mule]

You never know, that could've been a part of it, too. War fucks people up.

For the record he never went to war. On an unrelated note, most who come back from war can settle back in fine. I think it was 6% of returning iraq war veterans suffered from PTSD, or something like that.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

For the record he never went to war.

No, but he worked with people who did and had to listen to horrific stories. So maybe not that specific disorder, then, but I'm sure that dealing with people like that day in and day out and seeing fellow soldiers dealing with the mental and physical effects of war messes with your mind some.

On an unrelated note, most who come back from war can settle back in fine. I think it was 6% of returning iraq war veterans suffered from PTSD, or something like that.

That I find awfully hard to believe. I've heard that the suicide rate is extremely high right now in the Army and that a lot of people coming back have had serious mental problems and have lashed out at those around them. If that's indeed true, that's a pretty surprising statistic.

Angela

 

[BVS]

For the record he never went to war. On an unrelated note, most who come back from war can settle back in fine. I think it was 6% of returning iraq war veterans suffered from PTSD, or something like that.

Well this isn't true. Just because you don't come back with a diagnosis of PTSD doesn't mean you "settle back in fine". First of all PTSD is still extremely underdiagnosed. Extremely. Secondly there are many that can seem to "settle in fine" but internally are not.

My Grandfather came back from the war, raised three boys seemed to have "settled in fine" and then twenty years later took his own life leaving behind a letter talking about the war.

 

[maycocksean]

^I think the film Band of Brothers really captures how war damages you, even if you don't have any physical wounds. It really deepened my respect for soldiers. It gives a whole new meaning to the word sacrifice.

 

[martha]

most who come back from war can settle back in fine. I think it was 6% of returning iraq war veterans suffered from PTSD, or something like that.

My dad does volunteer work at the local VA hospital. Whenever you think they "settle back in fine," go down to your local VA facility and hang out. I dare you.

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

Whenever you think they "settle back in fine," go down to your local VA facility and hang out. I dare you.

Yes indeed. Everyone in this country should have to do that. We are shielded from reality.

Settle back in fine? Unbelievable.

 

[nathan1977]

Yes indeed. Everyone in this country should have to do that. We are shielded from reality.

Settle back in fine? Unbelievable.

Agree. Human beings were not created to murder each other. Regardless of whether or not it may be sometimes tragically necessary is a subject for another thread, but the taking of a life is a trauma that I don't think anyone ever recovers from.

 

[U2387]

Agree. Human beings were not created to murder each other. Regardless of whether or not it may be sometimes tragically necessary is a subject for another thread, but the taking of a life is a trauma that I don't think anyone ever recovers from.

ABSOLUTELY 100% RIGHT!

As necessary as some wars are, you won't get anyone who was ever really in a war to take a John Wayne style glorification of war stance.

Its always horrible, anyone glorifying it is either insane or lying.

John Wayne would have shit his pants if he was ever anywhere near a real war.

 

[maycocksean]

^I don't know why we villify John Wayne though.

It's not as if films used to glorify war but now they don't.

 

[martha]

He was such a "patriot," such a right-wing hawk who never went to war.

 

[Bluer White]

i suppose it is all about context. if FYM were made up of, say, continental Europeans, it would be dismissed as right-of-center, pro-American ideology.

And continental Europeans are having a tough go at it lately, fiscally. Tough enough to warn America to slow down its own deficit spending.

On social issues I think FYM is in tune with Europe.

 

[Irvine511]

And continental Europeans are having a tough go at it lately, fiscally. Tough enough to warn America to slow down its own deficit spending.

the Irish would disagree. same with Latvia and Estonia.

 

[PhilsFan]

most who come back from war can settle back in fine. .

On top of what others said, isn't the divorce rate in the military like 75% or something absurd like that?

 

[martha]

On social issues I think FYM is in tune with Europe.

The majority of FYM posters, sure.

 

[Bluer White]

the Irish would disagree. same with Latvia and Estonia.

Ireland, Latvia, and Estonia are certainly Eurodollar heavyweights

I'm watching their currency moving down.

Germany gets some props, but then again...


we're distracting from the Palin obsession thread