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Old 11-17-2010, 08:04 PM   #466
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whatever the case, if the former half-term governor of Alaska somehow wins the GOP nomination & (God forbid) the 2012 election, we're all fucked.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:34 PM   #467
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To be fair-....

That is just it. I did post a link to some of the FB postings. It is just a bunch of stupid kids popping off. One person throws out the N-word. Her picture is a African American girl. Also, it seems like some of these kids know each other.

I imagine many adolescent postings look this bad or worse. As an adult I can not jump on a teenager for making emotional, immature postings. Adults should be held to a different standard.

There are plenty of reasons to reject Sarah Palin's political aspirations. The reasons I do are because I find her policies on energy, environment, reproductive choices are contrary to mine.
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I just wish this entire classless family would go away so I'd never have to accidentally stumble upon another idiotic thing one of them said or did.
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I still say it is a net positive for the GOP

she gets people FIRED UP AND READY TO GO

she certainly had a big impact this last election.
She gets this election cycle's equivalent of the religious right FIRED UP AND READY TO GO, anyway.

She will not be winning any moderate voters over for the Republican Party.
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Old 11-17-2010, 11:19 PM   #471
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I imagine many adolescent postings look this bad or worse. As an adult I can not jump on a teenager for making emotional, immature postings. Adults should be held to a different standard.
As a private citizen, and as a matter of common sense, I agree with you. (And I don't think this FB fracas says anything about Sarah Palin's fitness for office, either.) But as a parent...I think situations like this do raise some really difficult questions about parental accountability for children's online conduct. Unfortunately, kids master the outward trappings of diplomatic and discreet behavior long before they appreciate the longterm consequences of not making that your default social setting, and things like FB and Twitter only amplify the dangers of that lag time. When you're in the public eye--even if you didn't ask for that--you really might as well be convening a press conference whenever you post, and you could wind up doing some real damage to yourself or your family by who you inadvertently hand ammo to.

I'm not comfortable with attempts to influence kids' behavior by appealing to notions of not "shaming" their family or community; I grew up with some of that myself, even though it was never made explicit, and I don't think it's healthy or even particularly effective. But it's not always easy convincing a teenager (I know, I know...or some adults, either) to think about the longterm consequences of how they handle nominally "private" feuds. And all that's setting aside the matter of using slurs, which are quite different from profanity/obscenity, and what it says about how good a job you've done as a parent conveying the wrongness of them.
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Old 11-17-2010, 11:22 PM   #472
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I have no problem pointing at Willow's behavior and condeming it. I'm not making it a reflection of Sarah Palin.

I don't care if "oh, she's just 16," or "oh, they're just being teenagers, they make mistakes."

So what? So you just ignore it and brush it off as stupid teenage behavior? No.
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^ I don't necessarily disagree, but I also don't see the *justification* for all the public focus on this one teenager's vulgarities (in an all-around vulgar flame war) out of all the other shit that's out there on Facebook. If you have, say, a 15-year-old daughter, and you overhear her referring to some classmate she's had an altercation with as a "faggot," then you have what's in a sense the luxury of being able to put a full stop to it right there--you can sit her down and have a long talk with her about the history of the word, what kind of people use it, what kind of damage it's done, and so on. And yes, you should've had this discussion with her long before, but at least it's come to your attention and you're addressing it now. But what if you're a well-known public figure and your daughter said it on Facebook instead, and now it's being relayed in articles and blogs and TV all over the place, and people are pouncing on it both to blast you as a hypocrite for your claims to be raising your children with the values of fairness and justice or whatever, as well as denouncing your child's character and sneering about what a stupid, bigoted little shit she is? That's not the way for her to grasp what makes slurs wrong, and it's unlikely you'll be in the best frame of mind to address it with her at that point, either. And who knows how long this incident might follow either or both of you around? Becoming a mature adult, and getting due credit for becoming one, does take some space and privacy; it's a problem if you're regularly having to deal with much bigger fallout from your moments of recklessness, stupidity, or just plain wrongness than we'd normally expect teenagers to be hit with.

It's not really even about this case specifically; just the general problem raised by the public at large being able to watch and react to what teenagers perceive as their private behavior, often even before the parents know about it. Some of the things (several of) these kids said were really wrong, no doubt about that, but I'm also uncomfortable with the fact that people were watching and waiting to make a spectacle of it in the first place, just because it's Willow Palin. Like I said upthread, from a parent's perspective, it does raise some troubling questions about the extent of your accountability for what your kids say online.
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*Rubs temples while muttering to self* Please, go away, Palin family, please, please, please go away, Palin family...

I'm all for leaving the kids alone (which is why it'd be nice if Sarah didn't feel this incessant need to parade them around on TV all the time), but if they're at the age where they're old enough to make the sorts of remarks they do or act the way they do, then they're old enough to expect some response/backlash about it (though you raise some very valid points about the Facebook thing, too, yolland. I can't really argue with you on that). That's what you get for being in the public eye. Don't like it? Then stop having cameras around your family 24/7 and go back to a private, non-media oriented life. It's not that difficult a concept to understand.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Sarah ran in 2012 (blech), but if she keeps on this track and continues her media saturation, by 2012 she's going to be even more divisive/annoying to people than she is now. I don't imagine she'll win the nomination or general election, but never underestimate the voting public. That's what terrifies me the most.

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They are taking their country back! One reality show at a time:

Bristol Palin Dancing with the Stars Watch Party Thread HillBuzz.org

A bunch of paranoid tea partiers with lots of made up email accounts are on a mission.

The comments are quite funny...
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Wait... that's ex-Hillary supporters, who now support Palin? What the hell?!?
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Wait... that's ex-Hillary supporters, who now support Palin? What the hell?!?
It's supposedly A gay Hillary supporter that is so pissed at Obama that he's embraced the Tea Party and turned his back on any principle in order to bring down Obama.

The website is riddled with contradiction...
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I love how some people are saying "ooh, liberals are getting so pissed that Bristol hasn't been voted out yet!"

Yeah, uh, this liberal does not give a rat's ass about DWTS, or Bristol Palin, or that yet another reality show with audience voting is being overrun with a block of people voting a gajillion times each to keep someone on.

Big Effing Deal.
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I love how some people are saying "ooh, liberals are getting so pissed that Bristol hasn't been voted out yet!"
Are you kidding?

I am so pissed

I hate it when conservatives dance.
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I think the memos from Fox News senior editors are starting to filter down to the talent. Palin will slowly be eviscerated up until the primaries to shut her down.

YouTube - "Like 'The Sound of Music" without Nazis, romance and music": Fox News about "Sarah Palin's Alaska"
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