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Old 07-03-2010, 09:57 AM   #211
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Ireland, Latvia, and Estonia are certainly Eurodollar heavyweights

I'm watching their currency moving down.

Germany gets some props, but then again...

the idea is that the austerity measures taken by Ireland have made it even worse. what got us truly out of the Great Depression was the spending on WW2. the argument for more stimulus rather than austerity -- there's really nothing substantive left to cut unless we are going to focus on SocSec, Defense, Medicaid/care. the government is not a household, nor should it act like one. it makes sense for individuals, not so much for the only entity that actually can grow the economy. now, since austerity is so politically popular, we're going to get another 10 years of the "new normal" with unemployment between 7-9%, and yet another missed opportunity to have totally transitioned our economy off of fossil fuels.

have you taken a look at how China has weathered the Great Recession?



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i greatly enjoyed watching Levi on Kathy Griffin last week.
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I bet you did.
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I bet you did.


ayup. levi's an enigma. is there more there than meets the eye, or less?

i also hear he and bristol are back together.
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I really don't know a thing about this Olbermann guy--which again tells you who has more cultural clout. I don't think Olbermann has ever been on the cover of Time magazine. Both Beck and Limbaugh have. Limbaugh was named one of the most influential people in the world by Time. Beck may have been as well, I don't know. I'm reasonablly sure Olbermann hasn't been.
I dislike Oberman for his mockery, or maybe his delusion , that he used to end his show with the closing of Edward R Morrow. He sure as heck isnt even on the same planet as Murrow. Murrow was a true journalist. He stopped doing that after relentless "heckling" by real journalists.The few that are left and not left. Nobody watches him anyway .

Oberman's claim to fame is he used to host a weekend sports update show.

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[QUOTE=Irvine511;6823869]the idea is that the austerity measures taken by Ireland have made it even worse. what got us truly out of the Great Depression was the spending on WW2. the argument for more stimulus rather than austerity -- there's really nothing substantive left to cut unless we are going to focus on SocSec, Defense, Medicaid/care. the government is not a household, nor should it act like one. it makes sense for individuals, not so much for the only entity that actually can grow the economy. now, since austerity is so politically popular, we're going to get another 10 years of the "new normal" with unemployment between 7-9%, and yet another missed opportunity to have totally transitioned our economy off of fossil fuels.


have you taken a look at how China has weathered the Great Recession?

i greatly enjoyed watching Levi on Kathy Griffin last week.[/QUOTE







Not well on china.t hey have a whole class of educated young people who cant find jobs, and live in some of the worse slums in the world. hey call them the "ants". China is frightened of them


A really good place to start for cuts, or freezing any more debt would be to stop spending money on things that don't create Jobs. Wind, solar, etc, are great, but they are now where near ready to power a one stop light town, let alone NYC.

3.5 TRILLION dollars in 18 months to"create or save jobs. " Be a really good place to stop wasting money . Didnt Obama say the recession was over? Robert Reich, did an ecellent piece on the economy yesterday ( Huffington post I think". Read it if you care. He is spot on.

we are double dipping and he even says, the "spending is doing it" I am sure you know, he is a far left former member of the Clinton Cabinet and a well known economist. He is still a power in the formally called democratic party.

As far as Europe. How can Soros profit off the fluctuation of the currency of UK and the Euro, if they dont keep spending? That is all he does you know.

Merkele , came from east germany. she knows that playbook and is rejected it, as are the UK, and Greece( by force) . UK is a good example The Libel and the Conservative party joined to form the Government. BOTH are saying CUT speading now.

You start by getting rid of the bloated Government .

BTW what to see the economics of the Chicago boys... Il has been downfreaded by Fitch, and can't pay anything. They are dead broke.

It has to stop.

Gas at 8.00 a gallon ( do you have a car, or use a washer and dryer BTW ) in europe on purpose . They dont want you to drive.

Cap and Trade will destroy jobs, and not go to where Agenda 21 wants it to go . Your electric bill will tripple, and who can afford that.

Something to think bout. Nobody can spend their way out of debt. It is impossible.

I hear Venezula is a great place to live. all the gas you want for nothing but a bottle of water will cost you 3.00 US that sounds cool
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At least when Joe Biden says something dumb it's either funny or at least he admits and apologizes.

Unlike Palin that then blames the fact she looked like an ass on "Gotcha Journalism".

I don't get how anyone takes her serious. But to each their own, I suppose.

Joe Biden" The recession is over and we have created over 35 million jobs"

In other news, he gets drunk and starts singing the Villages song in the middle of a stream .

Joe Biden invents the non existent term " saved Job.

Joe Biden, zip codes for these jobs that are unknown to everyone.Because they don't exist

Joe Biden reveals secret, secure location of the "safe Bunker" of the VP mansion , while drunk .

Joe Biden only allowed to drink O'Doul's at State Functions

Joe Biden is smarter than Palin ???

President Obama revels the USA has 58 states

This could be a very long list.
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the idea is that the austerity measures taken by Ireland have made it even worse. what got us truly out of the Great Depression was the spending on WW2. the argument for more stimulus rather than austerity -- there's really nothing substantive left to cut unless we are going to focus on SocSec, Defense, Medicaid/care. the government is not a household, nor should it act like one. it makes sense for individuals, not so much for the only entity that actually can grow the economy. now, since austerity is so politically popular, we're going to get another 10 years of the "new normal" with unemployment between 7-9%, and yet another missed opportunity to have totally transitioned our economy off of fossil fuels.


have you taken a look at how China has weathered the Great Recession?

i greatly enjoyed watching Levi on Kathy Griffin last week.[/QUOTE







Not well on china.t hey have a whole class of educated young people who cant find jobs, and live in some of the worse slums in the world. hey call them the "ants". China is frightened of them


A really good place to start for cuts, or freezing any more debt would be to stop spending money on things that don't create Jobs. Wind, solar, etc, are great, but they are now where near ready to power a one stop light town, let alone NYC.

3.5 TRILLION dollars in 18 months to"create or save jobs. " Be a really good place to stop wasting money . Didnt Obama say the recession was over? Robert Reich, did an ecellent piece on the economy yesterday ( Huffington post I think". Read it if you care. He is spot on.

we are double dipping and he even says, the "spending is doing it" I am sure you know, he is a far left former member of the Clinton Cabinet and a well known economist. He is still a power in the formally called democratic party.

As far as Europe. How can Soros profit off the fluctuation of the currency of UK and the Euro, if they dont keep spending? That is all he does you know.

Merkele , came from east germany. she knows that playbook and is rejected it, as are the UK, and Greece( by force) . UK is a good example The Libel and the Conservative party joined to form the Government. BOTH are saying CUT speading now.

You start by getting rid of the bloated Government .

BTW what to see the economics of the Chicago boys... Il has been downfreaded by Fitch, and can't pay anything. They are dead broke.

It has to stop.

Gas at 8.00 a gallon ( do you have a car, or use a washer and dryer BTW ) in europe on purpose . They dont want you to drive.

Cap and Trade will destroy jobs, and not go to where Agenda 21 wants it to go . Your electric bill will tripple, and who can afford that.

Something to think bout. Nobody can spend their way out of debt. It is impossible.

I hear Venezula is a great place to live. all the gas you want for nothing but a bottle of water will cost you 3.00 US that sounds cool

This is the model of Of our presidents economic plan - Illinois’s

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/bu...=MYWAY&ei=5065

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the idea is that the austerity measures taken by Ireland have made it even worse. what got us truly out of the Great Depression was the spending on WW2. the argument for more stimulus rather than austerity -- there's really nothing substantive left to cut unless we are going to focus on SocSec, Defense, Medicaid/care. the government is not a household, nor should it act like one. it makes sense for individuals, not so much for the only entity that actually can grow the economy. now, since austerity is so politically popular, we're going to get another 10 years of the "new normal" with unemployment between 7-9%, and yet another missed opportunity to have totally transitioned our economy off of fossil fuels.


have you taken a look at how China has weathered the Great Recession?

i greatly enjoyed watching Levi on Kathy Griffin last week.[/QUOTE







Not well on china.t hey have a whole class of educated young people who cant find jobs, and live in some of the worse slums in the world. hey call them the "ants". China is frightened of them


A really good place to start for cuts, or freezing any more debt would be to stop spending money on things that don't create Jobs. Wind, solar, etc, are great, but they are now where near ready to power a one stop light town, let alone NYC.

3.5 TRILLION dollars in 18 months to"create or save jobs. " Be a really good place to stop wasting money . Didnt Obama say the recession was over? Robert Reich, did an ecellent piece on the economy yesterday ( Huffington post I think". Read it if you care. He is spot on.

we are double dipping and he even says, the "spending is doing it" I am sure you know, he is a far left former member of the Clinton Cabinet and a well known economist. He is still a power in the formally called democratic party.

As far as Europe. How can Soros profit off the fluctuation of the currency of UK and the Euro, if they dont keep spending? That is all he does you know.

Merkele , came from east germany. she knows that playbook and is rejected it, as are the UK, and Greece( by force) . UK is a good example The Libel and the Conservative party joined to form the Government. BOTH are saying CUT speading now.

You start by getting rid of the bloated Government .

BTW what to see the economics of the Chicago boys... Il has been downfreaded by Fitch, and can't pay anything. They are dead broke.

It has to stop.

Gas at 8.00 a gallon ( do you have a car, or use a washer and dryer BTW ) in europe on purpose . They dont want you to drive.

Cap and Trade will destroy jobs, and not go to where Agenda 21 wants it to go . Your electric bill will tripple, and who can afford that.

Something to think bout. Nobody can spend their way out of debt. It is impossible.

I hear Venezula is a great place to live. all the gas you want for nothing but a bottle of water will cost you 3.00 US that sounds cool

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/bu...=MYWAY&ei=5065


Our Economic model
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Benji, I think you might need a bit of a refresher on how the commenting system works on this site.

Also, Olbermann is no Beck. I think Olbermann is the mirror of O'Reilly.
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Also, Olbermann is no Beck. I think Olbermann is the mirror of O'Reilly.
Maybe more like Hannity? Olbermann tries to position his show similar to O'Reilly's, but as a personality he's more like Hannity.

O’Reilly is about O’Reilly and about how O’Reilly was right about whatever it was before it even existed. If the winds swung too hard against O’Reilly, O’Reilly would just change position so that O’Reilly could continue to be right about the things O’Reilly has always been right about, which O’Reilly told you would happen anyway, so there.

Hannity is about unfocused “Can you believe this? Everything is fucked up!” outrage, where absolutely everything is forced into a left/right position, then yelled at or about. Which from what I can gather, is essentially what Olbermann does. No intelligence or nuance, just eternal outrage from a stupid position on a fixed side that may or may not even be relevant to the topic at hand, fused with an eternal mocking of any and all opinions and positions from the other side, regardless of merit or worthiness of inclusion. Both are rigid, angry, dumb and condescending - both to the opposition and their own audience.

There is no equivalent to Beck, not in mainstream media anyway. I’m sure there are plenty of batshit crazy conspiracy loaded ignoramuses out there from the left who are posting largely ignored nonsensical, irrational fear and hate fuelled rants to a blog or youtube account or whatever, but as yet none have been given a national/international television or radio slot.

Beck is the trump card. I can understand someone of lesser intelligence buying into O'Reilly as some kind of voice of reason. I can understand people enjoying moments of Hannity/Olbermann outrage as dumbed down cheerleading for their own feelings or beliefs - even if they are smarter than that. We all know stupidity and entertainment, unfortunately, generally rule. But the rise of and faith in Glenn Beck as some kind of serious voice for anything, especially what is a very large movement that really does want to be taken seriously, is something else entirely. When coupled with Sarah Palin as serious Presidential candidate, that really says something. And I'm not sure why it's supposed to be respected in any way.
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I can understand someone of lesser intelligence buying into O'Reilly as some kind of voice of reason.
Guilty as charged.
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O’Reilly is about O’Reilly and about how O’Reilly was right about whatever it was before it even existed. If the winds swung too hard against O’Reilly, O’Reilly would just change position so that O’Reilly could continue to be right about the things O’Reilly has always been right about, which O’Reilly told you would happen anyway, so there.
See: position on Iraq War.

I only like O'Reilly when he's in discussion with reasonable people like Jon Stewart. It's O'Reilly at his most honest and least political because Stewart brings the best out in him. Stewart's funny, willing to call out both sides, and most of all, is great at detecting bullshit.
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Benji, I think you might need a bit of a refresher on how the commenting system works on this site.

Also, Olbermann is no Beck. I think Olbermann is the mirror of O'Reilly.
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Maybe more like Hannity? Olbermann tries to position his show similar to O'Reilly's, but as a personality he's more like Hannity.

O’Reilly is about O’Reilly and about how O’Reilly was right about whatever it was before it even existed. If the winds swung too hard against O’Reilly, O’Reilly would just change position so that O’Reilly could continue to be right about the things O’Reilly has always been right about, which O’Reilly told you would happen anyway, so there.

Hannity is about unfocused “Can you believe this? Everything is fucked up!” outrage, where absolutely everything is forced into a left/right position, then yelled at or about. Which from what I can gather, is essentially what Olbermann does. No intelligence or nuance, just eternal outrage from a stupid position on a fixed side that may or may not even be relevant to the topic at hand, fused with an eternal mocking of any and all opinions and positions from the other side, regardless of merit or worthiness of inclusion. Both are rigid, angry, dumb and condescending - both to the opposition and their own audience.

There is no equivalent to Beck, not in mainstream media anyway. I’m sure there are plenty of batshit crazy conspiracy loaded ignoramuses out there from the left who are posting largely ignored nonsensical, irrational fear and hate fuelled rants to a blog or youtube account or whatever, but as yet none have been given a national/international television or radio slot.

Beck is the trump card. I can understand someone of lesser intelligence buying into O'Reilly as some kind of voice of reason. I can understand people enjoying moments of Hannity/Olbermann outrage as dumbed down cheerleading for their own feelings or beliefs - even if they are smarter than that. We all know stupidity and entertainment, unfortunately, generally rule. But the rise of and faith in Glenn Beck as some kind of serious voice for anything, especially what is a very large movement that really does want to be taken seriously, is something else entirely. When coupled with Sarah Palin as serious Presidential candidate, that really says something. And I'm not sure why it's supposed to be respected in any way.
O'Reilly I like. He has calmed down a lot, and usually gives whoever a fair shot.Obama people will go on his show, and he gives them a fair shot. That's why they keep appearing. If he thinks it is BS he will say so . If someone says something like " Obama isn't doing anything to stop the oil spill" for instance, he will be the first to say " what do you want him to do? Go down there with a scuba tank? " Nothing wrong with calling them out either . They all do that.

Hannity, I don't like. Same theme over and over.

Beck. I do like . He could care less about party, he thinks they (Politicians) are corrupt. All of them with the exception of a couple, and even then, he feels if they stay long enough, they will be corrupt. He despises the coruption and says so. Nothing wrong with that.

personally, he has overcome a very serious, long life of Alcohol , and through that, has had a lot of personal growth . He is not such a big fan of the tea Party as many think, it is more about people becoming engaged in the process.

He believes in the spirit of America. Nothing wrong with that . he has spent a lot of time learning about the history , from all sides. That's a good thing .

One thing though. He has a sharpe team working for him. When he puts things together, they know what they are talking about. He does it with their own words, on film. Hard to dispute someone on film saying something, then claiming they didn't. I can't think of anybody who does that any more.

He has the whole story, but if you notice, he stopped and switched to restoration . he could blow this out of the water at any point, but doesn't see that as a solution .... yet.

What he is doing in Washington on 8/28 will have millions of people ( CNN will say 3 people) and it is all for the wounded warriors project.

I was kind of surprised that Ellen Degeneres donated VIP tickets to her show and a personal meet and great with her to the 8/28 rally. , but good for her !

I saw Glenn and Bill on the "bold fresh tour" and it was one of the funniest things I have ever seen . Right up there with George Carlin.

Both of them donate money to many many charities. Bill gives every dime from things he sells on his website, including his book . 100 %

Beck though, scares the heck out of the Politicians . He kNOWS where this is going. They watch his show like hawks, but use the Huffington post to attack him. I have said this before, if he is wrong, why don't they call him? They can at any point.

Van Jones, was gone from the WH in 4 weeks, all because of tapes of his speaches that he made. A convicted felon can't even to to the WH tour let alone, work there.

He has the whole story, on film, documents etc . maybe he will use it, but he would rather see the people engaged ,as that is his answer to stop the madness.

I cannot fathom why they are so frightened of him, except they know he knows.

Regardless, these people are just people on TV and radio. nothing more, nothing less. They just have a lot of viewers and listeners. He is not a big fan of Rush either, but respects him for his longevity and rather large audience. It is TV and radio, which is about ratings. That doesn't make him wrong though. To his credit, whever he has been wrong, he immediately says so. that is refreshing .

Anyone that has his ratings at 5:00 pm EST ( 2:00 pM on west coast) he is talking about things they want to know about.

Take ACORN for example. were they really trying to help peple or were they using them? If they were using them, then it was a good thing he did, to expose them.



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