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Old 06-07-2010, 10:27 PM   #46
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I understand everything except the "convincing arguments" bit. If it's filled with flat-out lies, how can it be worth taking seriously? I guess I'm just mystified as to how someone can listen to that quote from Rush about AIDS, for instance, or hear him talk about how gay marriage will ruin the sanctity of marriage when they know full well he's on his fourth one now, and still think that those comments contain anything resembling truth. I'd like to think it's simply a matter of the listener not having been educated on the facts, but that seems too simplistic, since some people who listen to Rush and like him have decent educations. I'm just really confused by that.
When I say convincing, I mean that he's adept at sophistry--not necessarily that his arguments are based on unassailable factual evidence or well-reasoned logic. What he says sounds true to a lot of people (in large part because of the other reasons I mentioned). I think Steven Colbert coined the term: "truthiness." At any rate Limbaugh and his cohots remind me of that scene in "Thank You for Smoking" where Aaron Eckhart's charcter, who is a tobacco lobbyist is talking to his son's grade school class about what he does for a living. One little girl raise her hand and says:

"My mommy says that smoking is bad for you."

Eckharts Character: "Is your mommy a doctor?"
Little Girl: "No"
Eckharts Character: "Is your mommy a scientist?"
LG: "No"
EC: "Does your mommy have any kind of training in research?" (I'm paraphrasing the dialogue here, but this was the gist of it).
LG: "No"
EC: "Well, then how does your mommy know anything about whether smoking is bad for you?"
LG: --Left flummoxed, speechless, and utterly defeated.

The fact, that incidentally, her mommy was right, was completely sidelined.

This is how Limbaugh argues, and that is what I meant by "convincing."



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To be honest, I've not really listened to much NPR. Bits and pieces here and there, and I'm certainly aware of it, but I haven't really listened to it much.
I love NPR! You should listen to it more. It's about the only real news out there anymore.

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That's really bizarre that Elton John played at his wedding. I'm guessing cori's reasoning has to be why he did that, 'cause otherwise I'm at a loss to explain his presence there.

Angela
It's probably the Dittoheads that should be more upset about this than us. It ought to reveal that at the end of the day Rush really doesn't give a shit--it's all about the money.
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:39 PM   #47
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When I say convincing, I mean that he's adept at sophistry--not necessarily that his arguments are based on unassailable factual evidence or well-reasoned logic. What he says sounds true to a lot of people (in large part because of the other reasons I mentioned). I think Steven Colbert coined the term: "truthiness." At any rate Limbaugh and his cohots remind me of that scene in "Thank You for Smoking" where Aaron Eckhart's charcter, who is a tobacco lobbyist is talking to his son's grade school class about what he does for a living. One little girl raise her hand and says:

"My mommy says that smoking is bad for you."

Eckharts Character: "Is your mommy a doctor?"
Little Girl: "No"
Eckharts Character: "Is your mommy a scientist?"
LG: "No"
EC: "Does your mommy have any kind of training in research?" (I'm paraphrasing the dialogue here, but this was the gist of it).
LG: "No"
EC: "Well, then how does your mommy know anything about whether smoking is bad for you?"
LG: --Left flummoxed, speechless, and utterly defeated.

The fact, that incidentally, her mommy was right, was completely sidelined.

This is how Limbaugh argues, and that is what I meant by "convincing."
Ah. Got it. Thanks for clarifying. That certainly makes sense.

That scene you shared is good. Sadly dead on, but good.

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I love NPR! You should listen to it more. It's about the only real news out there anymore.
I'll definitely check it out more. The small bit I've heard I've liked, so yeah, I'll go search it out and give it a fuller listen .

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It's probably the Dittoheads that should be more upset about this than us. It ought to reveal that at the end of the day Rush really doesn't give a shit--it's all about the money.
Yeah, that's true-money and Rush always go well together.

I'm not really upset. I'm just confused more than anything. But I am rather curious to see how Rush's followers feel about that news....

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But I am rather curious to see how Rush's followers feel about that news....

Angela
Sadly most of them will probably feel however Rush tells them to feel.

Incidentally, INDY just provided another example of Rush-style arguing over in the thread about the Israeli raid on that flotilla. Check it out.
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Sadly most of them will probably feel however Rush tells them to feel.
Probably. But it'd still be an interesting discussion to witness regardless. At the very least I'd like to see how Rush would be able to defend that to his listeners, presuming he does that.

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Incidentally, INDY just provided another example of Rush-style arguing over in the thread about the Israeli raid on that flotilla. Check it out.
I did see that. Yeah. Real nice, it was .

And this is why otherwise legitimate, good debates fall apart. There was a really good discussion going on in that thread, and then, to take a word from title of the thread...roadblock.

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I did see that. Yeah. Real nice, it was .

And this is why otherwise legitimate, good debates fall apart. There was a really good discussion going on in that thread, and then, to take a word from title of the thread...roadblock.

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Cheap.

But effective.
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Apparently Elton John played his wedding...
Lee Greenwood was not available.
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the other thought i had -- tacky apartment aside -- is that maybe Rush has actual taste in music, and recognizes that Elton has written some really amazing songs, and/or his wife loves Elton, and that his radio persona is all posturing in order to make money and the real Rush -- you know, Rusty -- doesn't really believe much of what he's actually saying.
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Limbaugh, for instance, told Zev Chafetz, author of the Limbaugh biography Army of One, that he supports civil unions for gay couples instead of marriage – a point on which Limbaugh and the openly gay John agree.

"I don't want to be married," John said in 2005 when he and David Furnish tied the knot in a civil partnership ceremony. "If gay people want to get married or get together, they should have a civil partnership. The word 'marriage,' I think, puts a lot of people off."
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the other thought i had -- tacky apartment aside -- is that maybe Rush has actual taste in music, and recognizes that Elton has written some really amazing songs, and/or his wife loves Elton, and that his radio persona is all posturing in order to make money and the real Rush -- you know, Rusty -- doesn't really believe much of what he's actually saying.
This has been my working theory re: Limbaugh for quite some time. It seems likely given some of his "hardly-conservative" choices he's made in his free time.
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This has been my working theory re: Limbaugh for quite some time. It seems likely given some of his "hardly-conservative" choices he's made in his free time.


there was an interesting article on Salon from a few years ago written by one of his nieces about "Uncle Rusty" -- he comes off as not that bad a guy.

here it is:

Rusty and me - Rush Limbaugh - Salon.com

it pretty much supports your summation.
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That's even worse. If you're just saying that shit for money, knowing what it does to people, then you are a whore of the lowest kind.
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Flown over the wedding site, courtesy of Gawker:



Congratulations Rush Limbaugh!
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I did see that. Yeah. Real nice, it was .

And this is why otherwise legitimate, good debates fall apart. There was a really good discussion going on in that thread, and then, to take a word from title of the thread...roadblock.

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Cheap.

But effective.
Better to keep separate topics in separate threads.
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there was an interesting article on Salon from a few years ago written by one of his nieces about "Uncle Rusty" -- he comes off as not that bad a guy.

here it is:

Rusty and me - Rush Limbaugh - Salon.com

it pretty much supports your summation.
Fascinating article. I really enjoyed it.

I don't suppose anyone can really go too far in judging public figures who we don't know personally. And I would never think to treat some one rudely just because of who they are related to.

I'm sure in many ways, Rusty is a nice guy--but then there have been a lot of men and women throughout history who were nice in many ways and then really horrible in some other ways.

I tend to agree with Mrs. S, though that, if, as I suspect, his public persona is all about the big bucks then that is even more deplorable then if he actually believed it all. It's irresponsible to spread the nonsense he does just to keep raking it in.
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