And, similar to the boxing in of pro/anti Iraq arguments back in the day (or still today sometimes), trying to polarise classification of opinions into either black or white when most would exist in grey, is wrong and goes nowhere. Anti-Iraq was not pro-Saddam. Anti Israeli action is not anti-Israel, or pro-Hamas, or pro or anti anything else except pro-middle ground, pro-solution, or whatever.
I briefly mentioned that most of the posters in here tend to be anti-Israel as in anti-Israel policy. I think thats fairly obvious and that Actung Bono's views on the issue are in the minority here. While being against the invasion of Iraq is certainly not pro-Saddam, it is opposition to the only realistic way of removing Saddam from power as the facts on the ground and the history of his time in power had shown.
It’s perfectly possible, and reasonable, to agree with Israel’s right to exist and right to defend itself – and to recognise how difficult and complex the challenges involved with that actually are - while also believing that they are going about it the wrong way.
So in regards to the blockade, yes, I think it is perfectly reasonable and totally understandable for Israel to want to control what is being transported into Gaza, by land or sea. But it is totally unreasonable for Israel to use this as an excuse to hold a boot on the throat of the Palestinian people in Gaza (a people that Netanyahu does not believe actually exist, in a land he believes is not actually theirs.)
Well, exactly how would you go about it?
Israel could easily – easily – have gone about this a different way. First of all, a pre-dawn commando raid so far beyond the actual blockade line, well into international waters, is a mistake of stupefying proportions. Either they truly do not give a fuck, or they’ve lost control of reasonable judgement. But from the beginning this was handled poorly. There was an aggressive (and so challenge setting) message from before the flotilla even set float. Image was everything, compromise necessary, and Egypt, Turkey and the US held the solution. I don’t understand how Israel could have fucked this up so brilliantly. The right way seems fairly simple to me?
Well, if they had waited until the ship reached the blockade line, how would the reaction the troops received have been any different? Do you think the people on the boat would have been less hostile at noon as opposed to a few hours earlier?
Lets not forget that protesters were already outside Israel's embassy in Turkey before these events actually happened which possibly shows this group was actually planning for a confrontation.
Some suggest that Israel under the current leadership has lost all sense of perspective and proportion. That it’s totally ‘us’ versus ‘them’ (everyone else) and that everything must be a message of strength and force against ‘them’, and so, while obviously not wanting the result they got, the show of force was perhaps the only option on the table from the beginning. Forgetting the rights and wrongs of it for a moment, beyond that, just in terms of pure strategy, I can’t understand where they see any kind of future with that kind of thinking. They might as well just jump to what most of us would consider the worst-case-scenario end game right now and get it out of the way.
Israel is trying to prevent weapons from going into Gaza that are used to murder Israeli civilians. In order to do that, Israeli troops had to inspect the boat at some point. Because those on the boat were interested in a confrontation instead of cooperating, the same thing would have happened miles closer to the coast line and a few hours later.
There were five other boats that were boarded WITHOUT any incidents at all in the same group!!!!!!!