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Old 06-03-2010, 03:23 PM   #76
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American Citizen Was Shot Dead During Israeli Raid on Flotilla, U.S. Says
By Nicole Gaouette - Jun 3, 2010

The U.S. confirmed that an American citizen, identified as 19-year-old Furkan Dogan, was killed by multiple gunshots during the Israeli raid on a flotilla carrying activists attempting to run a blockade of the Gaza Strip.

State Department spokesman Philip J. Crowley said the U.S. has made no decision on a response to Dogan’s death.
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he was shot in the head 4x.
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:04 PM   #78
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Good post, Earnie.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:56 PM   #79
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there seem to be several posters who are under the impression that the single reason for the blockade of Gaza is to prevent Hamas from shooting rockets at Israel.
Really? Name a poster that said that.

Its not just rockets that get sent into the Gaza strip from Iran and other places that murder civilians, its also, hand guns, RPG's, Motars, devices for making IED's etc. This is a fact! You can discuss the other issues all you want to, but this fact alone makes it necessary for Israel to inspect everything coming into the Gaza strip. Israel certainly wants a different leadership in the Gaza strip, but that takes second place to the immediate security and safety of its citizens.

Again, Israel was inspecting the ships for weapons. If you were Israel would you stop inspecting shipments for weapons there by risking injury and loss of life to Israeli citizens, so that the global media message and image for Israel looks a little better?

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and, for the US, it reduces our credibility when justifying things like drone attacks as being in the best interests of the world when it appears as if we're supporting a policy that actively seeks to punish 1.5m Muslims living in a shattered strip of lan
Drone attacks that kill terrorist are in the best interest of the world, and anyone that does not understand that or thinks that its somehow an extension of an alleged US policy of punishing Muslims is unlikely to be convinced otherwise.
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"If those who will wish to study the clear record of what happened in the past and what will, in due course, tend to be repeated with some degree of similarity (as is the way of human events) judge this work to be of help to them, it will content me. Thucydides, Peloponnesian wars, 1:22.

"History is a myth agreed upon." Napoleon Bonaparte.

"The past isn't dead; it isn't even past." William Faulkner.

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." Harry S. Truman.



There has never a Palestinian State in history.

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That argument could have been used against every single state as they were being formed.
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YouTube - VP Joe Biden on flotilla incident (Charlie Rose, PBS)

Wow something lucid from Biden for a change.
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There has never a Palestinian State in history.

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This sort of thing is very helpful to the peace process.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:30 PM   #84
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That argument could have been used against every single state as they were being formed.

Your reasoning is flawed.

The Jewish people existed in that area as a country thousands of years ago.
It is their land.

Can you please explain why neighboring Arab countries will not simply let the
Palestinians come into their countries and live?

The answer is not blowing in the wind, but in the scriptures.
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Your reasoning is flawed.

The Jewish people existed in that area as a country thousands of years ago.
It is their land.

Can you please explain why neighboring Arab countries will not simply let the
Palestinians come into their countries and live?

The answer is not blowing in the wind, but in the scriptures.
Oh here we go with the imaginary mythical beings in the sky and their scriptures as if they're relevant to how we draw borders.

I expect that you will be removing yourself from land that was inhabited thousands of years ago by the American Indians which your people slaughtered and put on reserves.
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Oh here we go with the imaginary mythical beings in the sky and their scriptures as if they're relevant to how we draw borders.

I expect that you will be removing yourself from land that was inhabited thousands of years ago by the American Indians which your people slaughtered and put on reserves.

Your statements add nothing to what is being discussed.

That is not a slam. I would just like to discuss in a logical manner.


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Your reasoning is flawed.

The Jewish people existed in that area as a country thousands of years ago.
It is their land.

Can you please explain why neighboring Arab countries will not simply let the
Palestinians come into their countries and live?

The answer is not blowing in the wind, but in the scriptures.
Even if the scriptures were historically accurate, you would have to admit a time before there was a Jewish state.

The argument "there's never been a blank state before" is rubbish.
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Even if the scriptures were historically accurate, you would have to admit a time before there was a Jewish state.

The argument "there's never been a blank state before" is rubbish.

This is about the Jewish people.

Your position is based on a hypothetical jig.


So, if a group of people decided to claim a few acres in France as their State, that's OK?
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Israel is the colonising power, it doesn't have any right to Gaza or the West Bank.
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YouTube - VP Joe Biden on flotilla incident (Charlie Rose, PBS)

Wow something lucid from Biden for a change.
You call that lucid? His Korean analogy, letting Israel carry out the only investigation it to this would be like letting North Korea carry out an investigation in how the South Korean boat sank and given the boat was under Turkish law I'm not exactly sure what the legal justification would be for an Israeli investigation...but oh wait it's Israeli, legality only apply when it suits Israel.
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