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Old 04-10-2011, 05:18 PM   #331
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. Hamas and Hezbollah, who control Palestine, do.
Where is this magical Palestine?
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:09 AM   #332
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Where is this magical Palestine?
Hello Anitram,

I really don't know. Maybe you should ask all the countries who have recognized it so far.......maybe THEY know where it is.
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*sigh* I mean the Palestinian territories. Gaza, West Bank, etc.
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Old 04-17-2011, 09:33 AM   #334
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May they all rest in peace and bask in the glow of God's eternal light and may their murderers burn in hell forever and ever.

Great news!!

The terrorist murderers who committed this unspeakable act have been caught by the Israeli security forces and will pay dearly for this crime.

These are the faces of pure evil and hatred:

Itamar massacre solved; 2 arrested - Israel News, Ynetnews
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:16 AM   #335
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Wow, that's really fucking disgusting. May the family rest in peace.
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Old 04-21-2011, 07:58 PM   #336
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A Republican invitation for Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to address Congress next month is highlighting the tensions between President Obama and Mr. Netanyahu and has kicked off a bizarre diplomatic race over who will be the first to lay out a new proposal to reopen the stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

For three months, White House officials have been debating whether the time has come for Mr. Obama to make a major address on the region’s turmoil, including the upheaval in the Arab world, and whether he should use the occasion to propose a new plan for peace between Israelis and Palestinians. One administration official said that course was backed by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and the president himself, but opposed by Dennis B. Ross, the president’s senior adviser on the Middle East. As the administration has been pondering, Mr. Netanyahu, fearful that his country would lose ground with any Obama administration plan, has been considering whether to pre-empt the White House with a proposal of his own, before a friendly United States Congress, according to American officials and diplomats from the region.
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Mr. Netanyahu has made it clear that he wants Israel’s security needs addressed before any peace deal with the Palestinians. He has become even more concerned about security because shifts in power among Arab states in recent months have weakened Israel’s already fragile relations with its neighbors, particularly Egypt.

The tussling between the Obama administration and the Israeli government reached a peak last week when Mrs. Clinton, in Washington at a meeting of the US-Islamic World Forum, announced that Mr. Obama would be “speaking in greater detail about America’s policy in the Middle East and North Africa in the coming weeks.” Her announcement electrified Israeli officials, who quickly got on the phone with American officials and journalists to determine whether Mr. Obama had decided to put an American plan on the table. He had not made such a decision, and White House officials cautioned that the internal debate was still going on. But two days later, the House speaker, John A. Boehner of Ohio, announced his intention to invite Mr. Netanyahu to address a joint meeting of Congress. “America and Israel are the closest of friends and allies, and we look forward to hearing the prime minister’s views on how we can continue working together for peace, freedom and stability,” Mr. Boehner said in a news release.

...Mr. Netanyahu’s address will coincide with the planned meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, arguably the most powerful of the American groups that advocate for Israel.
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Last November, Representative Eric Cantor, Republican of Virginia, told Mr. Netanyahu that the new GOP majority in the House would “serve as a check on the administration,” in a statement that was rare for its blunt disagreement on American foreign policy as conveyed to a foreign leader. Mr. Cantor put out a statement after a meeting with Mr. Netanyahu saying that he “made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other.” Brian Katulis, a national security expert with the Center for American Progress, a liberal research organization, said that Republicans were trying to “make Israel a partisan wedge issue.”
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Much of the debate is taking place under a pending deadline of the United Nations General Assembly meeting scheduled in September, when the Assembly is expected to broadly endorse Palestinian statehood in a vote that could prove deeply embarrassing to Israel and the United States, which are both expected to vote against it.
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This could be big if it goes through.


Fatah and Hamas end feud, agree to interim government - Reuters
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"This agreement is possible because the Egyptian regime has changed. The new administration is taking a balanced position," said Hany al-Masri, a political commentator who took part in talks over the past two weeks that lead to the breakthrough. Analysts said the ongoing uprising in Syria, where part of Hamas's leadership is based, had also put pressure on the group to try to end its isolation in Gaza, a tiny coastal enclave that borders both Israel and Egypt.
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Any interim government is unlikely to include Hamas officials in an effort to avoid the sort of international boycott that hit the Palestinians after the 2006 election. Abbas is dependent on Western aid, which he has used to build up state institutions ahead of hoped-for independence.
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:19 PM   #338
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that is good news
statehood should be next. let's hope it happens this year.

Then we can start the process of removing the settler / occupiers from their illegal land grab.
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Big TROUBLE you mean......

This so-called "truce" between Hamas and Fatah has nothing to do with combining their forces for the good of the Palestinian people and everything to do with the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". There's no love lost between Hamas and Fatah and the only purpose of their getting together is to try yet again to drive us from our land (which will never happen because we're not going anywhere.....).

To illustrate the danger of this evil alliance, just imagine what would happen if the Taliban and Al-Qaida joined forces and camped out in Canada and Mexico with the United States in between......this is the same situation.

The regime change in Egypt was clearly the first stage of this major shift in the middle east - a process that is still going on. I was no fan of Hosni Mubarak but at least under his regime he kept the peace with Israel since 1979, entered into economic agreements with us (including the Egypt-Israel gas pipeline) and generally preserved a status-quo of non-belligerancy(sP?) towards us - including closing the Rafah border passing to try and prevent smuggling of arms and terrorists into Gaza and blowing up some of the tunnels that Hamas used to smuggle their Iranian-made weapons into their territory.

It's no coincidence that following the toppling of Mubarak Iranian warships were allowed to cross the Suez canal on route to Syria for the first time in 30 years. It is highly suspected that those ships were carrying weapons meant for Hezbollah and Hamas - which was proven in March when the Israeli navy captured the "Victoria" on route from Syria to Egypt with weapons on board.

Syrian ship with arms for Gaza captured by Israel | The Jewish Chronicle

This incident I believe underscores the need for Israel to maintain the naval blockade of Gaza, which has so far managed to stop any further weapons from reaching Gaza by sea.

So please don't be fooled by this so-called "reconcilliation". Hamas and Fatah are far from friends and I guarantee you that behind those smiles lies a hatred that runs deep between them - which is no doubt overshadowed by their hatred for Israel. Worse than that, this agreement will give them joint control over Gaza and the West Bank - which means that, as of this moment, thousands of more people in Tel-Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa and basically the entire country, have just entered the range of the Grad missiles that have been the bane of the existance of the residents of Sderot, Ashkelon, and more recently Beer-Sheba and my city of Ashdod.

If indeed a Palestinian state is unilaterally declared in September, this won't be the end of the story. Yassar Arafat tried the same gimick in the 80's when out of the blue he declared statehood (please see below).

Palestinian Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing changed, the earth didn't stop, the sun still rose and set, and many countried recognized "Palestine" just like they're doing today. As things stand now, the new state of "Palestine" will be a paria among nations. It will lose the much-needed aid from the United States (400 million USD a year which is used to line the pockets of corrupt politicians and to purchase weapons rather than help make the Palestinian's lives more livable). It will be a terrorist state who will use this new-found status to form a coalition of hate with the other radical movements - don't be surprised if some members of Islamic Jihad and even Al Qaida will find their way into this joint terrorist government.

The bombing yesterday of the Egypt-Israel gas pipeline, and a recent poll that stated that over half the Egyptian people favor breaking the peace treaty with Israel, clearly indicate the tone and direction in which the middle east is headed.

In all this turmoil and confusion there stands only one voice for reason.....and that is Israel. While Egyptian, Lybian and Syrian forces turn their guns on the few people brave enough to stand up and fight for their freedom - it is ISRAEL who is perceived to be evil and manevolent and a human rights violator......go figure.

Without a doubt, a new darker chapter has begun with this combining of forces between Hamas and Fatah. Personally I'm not worried because I have my strong faith in G-d, the wisdom of our government and the power of our armed forces to protect me and my fellow citizens from harm.

So Deep.......make no mistake - we are here to stay and we'll continue to be here long after these and other terrorist organizations are run into the ground.

Peace!
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If you are living in the West Bank you should make plans to leave. I would recommend a move to inside the 1967 boarders.


Strong faith in G-d is fine. He may or may not exist. (just my point of view)
If he does exist, he does not intervene when babies are butchered in their beds.

So the smart thing to do, is get out of the West Bank.
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If you are living in the West Bank you should make plans to leave. I would recommend a move to inside the 1967 boarders.


Strong faith in G-d is fine. He may or may not exist.
If he does exist he yawns and scratches as babies are butchered in their beds.

So the smart thing to do is get out of the West Bank.
First of all I don't live in the West Bank but that's besides the point.

Are you really that naive as to think that it will end THERE?......Hamas was established with only one goal in mind - the total destruction of the state of Israel. Do you really think that they will stop at seizing power in the west bank? They have declared that they will NEVER recognize Israel and their entire existance is devoted to our destruction. They want us out of Jerusalem, out of Ashdod, out of Haifa, out of Tiberias, out of Ashkelon...and basically off the map.

Let's for the sake of argument say that Israel withdraws from ALL the territories captured in 1967 - including East Jerusalem. You are living in a fantasy land if you think that they will be satisfied with that. I guarantee that once the last Israeli withdraws from the west bank Hamas will be moving their missiles closer to our coastal and central cities - just like they did when Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza strip in 2005. How long do you think it will take before the missiles start landing in Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem?

Don't be taken in by these liars and deceivers. This truce is only the first step in their master plan to annihalate the state of Israel - which, again, will never happen.
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There are elements in the *official* Israeli Government that do not recognize the right of Palestinians to exist anywhere inside of the Palestinian territories, what we are referring to as The West Bank.

Your FM Liberman is an extremist that should not be recognized for his extreme views. His coalition would push out all Palestinians, just like you claim Hamas would do to the Jews.

What reasonable people should do is marginalize the extremists in both groups, and empower the more reasonable people in their groups to gain more influence to reach some accommodation that is possible for both sides to live with.
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Egypt Invites Palestinian Factions to Sign Unity Deal | Middle East

Egypt to open Gaza border in policy shift.



The ground in the Middle-East is shifting at a steady rate. There will be big changes in Syria, too.

This is very unsettling for many in Israel. The status-quo of the last couple of decades was not sustainable. Israel behaved as is they would always have the upper hand.

Bold statements and threats are not the way to go.
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Hamas says prepared to give peace with Israel 'another chance'

Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal on Wednesday challenged Israel to peace, offering to work with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Egypt on a new strategy to solve the Arab-Israeli conflict.

But Meshaal, addressing a meeting in Cairo to announce a reconciliation agreement between his Islamist group and its secular Fatah rival, said he did not believe Israel was ready for peace with any Palestinians.

"We have given peace since Madrid till now 20 years, and I say we are ready to agree among us Palestinians and with Arab support to give an additional chance," Meshaal said, referring to the 1991 international Middle East peace conference that launched Israeli-Arab peace talks.

"But, dear brothers, because Israel does not respect us, and because Israel has rejected all our initiatives and because Israel deliberately rejects Palestinian rights, rejects Fatah members as well as Hamas...it wants the land, security and claims to want peace," he said.

Israel regards Hamas, whose founding charter calls for its destruction of the Jewish state, as a terrorist organization. Hamas has opposed Abbas' peace efforts with Israel.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the new unity pact between Hamas and Fatah as a "mortal blow to peace and a great victory for terrorism".

Meshaal said that Egypt, the Arab League and the Muslim World's largest body, the Islamic Organisation Conference, must work together to search for a new strategy.

"We don't want to declare war on any one," Meshaal said.

"We want to wrench our rights and draft a new strategy for ourselves, to master all forms of power that will force Netanyahu to withdraw from our lands and to recognize our rights," he added.

"We are telling the world: stand with us."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...hance-1.359836

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I know you probably didn't intend this Deep, but you just posted one of the funniest posts on this board.

If you believe that Hamas is willing to talk peace with Israel then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale if you're interested....

When was Hamas ever prepared to give ONE chance for peace with Israel, let alone ANOTHER chance.....? Their entire existance is based on one goal - the destruction of the state of Israel - no more and no less.

Since their establishment in 1987, during the first Palestinian uprising, their only purpose in life was to kill as many Israelis as possible. For over 20 years they haven't ONCE joined in any of the peace talks that the legitimate Palestinian leadership held with Israel - including the Madrid conference in 1991 and the subsequent conferences at Camp David, Wye Plantation, etc. Moreoever, they said that any of the agreements that have been signed between the Palestinian authority and Israel are not-binding to them and they're not obliged to adhere to them.......

So what chance for peace have they ever been willing to take? NONE.
They know that peace with Israel means that they will have to recognize Israel's right to exist (which will never happen) and to disarm themselves and cease their terror operations against us (which will ALSO never happen).

Not to mention the fact that Israel will never even think about sitting down with Hamas until they release our soldier Gilad Shalit, who's been held captive in a booby-trapped bunker somewhere in Gaza for the past five years.....

They are desperate now to legitimize themselves in the eyes of the world and they will lie through their teeth to do so. This circus in Cairo is nothing more than a smoke and mirrors act designed to put on a facade of unity to the world - when actually I'm sure that Haled Masha'l would have liked nothing more than for Abu Mazen to join Bin Laden in hell....and visa versa.

Again, don't be fooled by this PR stunt in Cairo......it means absolutely nothing.
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