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Old 06-08-2010, 10:14 AM   #196
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Sorry, but there was no more reason to admire this woman 2 years ago when we had that thread than there is today. But the fact that her hateful, ignorant "questions" or comments were usually aimed at Republicans, conservatives or the military gave her a pass. Pass, hell, made her a hero to many, including the dickweeds at HBO.
Well insert "liberal", "democrat", and "minorities" and this sums up most of your heroes?
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:32 AM   #198
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Sorry I just think INDY enjoys these Limbaugh like attacks way too much, and like Earnie said her question 2 years ago you can not like the tone but it was not ignorant or hateful. What she said recently was wrong, no excuse.
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Could Fox News get Helen Thomas's coveted front-row seat in the White House briefing room?

It's possible now that Thomas, 89, has retired in the wake of her controversial and offensive comments about Israel.

"No decisions have been made on the open seat," incoming White House Correspondents Association president Jackson told Poynter. "We have elections for three seats that are open [an at-large organization, magazine and TV seat]. I will recommend that the new board decide the issue, but I don't know what my colleagues will want to do."

Jackson, who takes over on July 16, said that the WHCA will meet Thursday to discuss the Thomas seat.

Speculation centers around Fox News — the only TV network without a front-row seat — and Bloomberg — the only wire service without a front-row seat.

Greg Sargent reports that Fox News and Bloomberg were "locked in a behind-the-scenes 'death match'" over who would inherit Thomas's seat when she retired even before her controversial Israel comments. Both are currently seated in the second row, and "had previously made it known to the White House Correspondents Association that they coveted the seat upon Thomas's retirement," according to Sargent.

The Daily Beast's Richard Wolffe recalls that in 2007, CNN beat out Fox News for a spot in the front row based on its "prior place in the pecking order," but says that "Fox's patience in 2007 may now be rewarded with Thomas' coveted chair."


Still, though the network has been patient, the Daily News reports that Fox News has been gunning for a front row seat for years:

Sources within the White House Correspondents' Association, which oversees the seating chart, told the Daily News that Fox, the nation's largest cable news outlet, has argued for years it belongs in the front row, where CNN, ABC and MSNBC (represented by NBC) already reside with the Associated Press and Reuters.

Andrew Sullivan suggests giving the seat to a blogger instead of a traditional reporter:

I don't see why the front row should belong just to reporters. Their total submission to the news cycle and making news renders much of their questioning a big old kabuki show. Why not allow bloggers in the front row? We'd sure make the awful, smug, useless Gibbs less comfortable.
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what's crazy is how people like INDY or Sarah Palin are trying to make it seem like anyone who has a different opinion than them supports her comments -- that's what Palin tweeted yesterday, about how the media was coming to her defense. which is demonstrably untrue.

this seems to be a fairly representative of how it's being handled:

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The sad farewell of Helen Thomas

By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, June 8, 2010; A02

Afew months ago, White House reporters settled on a system for preserving the sanctity of Helen Thomas's front-row-center seat in the briefing room. On those frequent occasions when the 89-year-old legend didn't show up for a briefing -- a pardonable event for somebody who has done the job for 50 years -- reporters from other outlets would take turns occupying the seat to deny the prominent perch to less-reputable characters in the room.

But nobody dared take the seat with Thomas's nameplate at Monday morning's briefing. Her desk in the nearby work space was also unoccupied, a laptop open but the screen dark. It was two hours before she would announce her resignation/retirement as a Hearst columnist, but it was already clear that it was time for her to get the hell out.

It was a sad end to a storied career.

You'll find no defense here of her anti-Semitic suggestion that Jews should "get the hell out of Palestine" and "go home" to Poland and Germany -- where they were slaughtered by the millions. There's no excuse for that, and Thomas deserved what she got.

Yet the White House press corps will be diminished without Helen front and center, and not only because she was in that job before the current president was born. She brought a ferocity to her questioning that has eluded too many in subsequent generations. At a time when others were getting cozy with sources, her crabby, unrelenting hostility was refreshing.

"When are you going to get out of Afghanistan?" she challenged President Obama two weeks ago. "Why are we continuing to kill and die there? What is the real excuse? And don't give us this Bushism, 'If we don't go there, they'll all come here.' "

Then there was her questioning -- heckling, really -- of press secretary Robert Gibbs: "What's the difference between your foreign policy and Bush's? . . . Why don't you know your position on Glass-Steagall? . . . What are you hiding? . . . Yes or no? . . . Why does the president have this audacity of hope for the health plan when it's so clear the perception from yesterday was he struck out?"

Think that was rough? Recall her questioning of President George W. Bush in 2006 after he finally ended a long boycott of Thomas questions. "Your decision to invade Iraq has caused the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis," she began. "Every reason given, publicly at least, has turned out not to be true."

Thomas kept up her harangue as Bush tried to answer, requiring him to plead "Hold on for a second" and "Excuse me, excuse me" and "Excuse me for a second."

Given that history of hostility, it's not surprising that one of the first to push Thomas out the door was Bush's former press secretary, Ari "Watch What They Say" Fleischer, who temporarily left his sports marketing business to hustle over to the Fox News set and demand Thomas's firing. The most recent recipient of Thomas's heckling, Gibbs, used the words "offensive and reprehensible" when asked Monday about the matter.

Even the White House Correspondents' Association piled on with a statement saying it "firmly dissociates itself" from Thomas's words. This was the same group that once feted Thomas (a past president) for her remarkable career. Though she criticized her colleagues, sometimes unfairly, for being too soft on Bush, the WHCA offered to defend her to the White House during Bush's refusal to call on her at news conferences.

Had she retired even a week ago, those would have been the memories. Colleagues would have remembered Obama visiting her with cupcakes in the briefing room and singing "Happy Birthday" to her last August. They would have recalled the late Tony Snow referring to her as "Secretary of State Helen Thomas" or an exasperated Fleischer, during a grilling, saying, "We will temporarily suspend the Q&A portion of today's briefing to bring you this advocacy minute."

Before last week's suggestion that Jews "go home" to places where they were annihilated, Thomas's liberal politics and predictable questions on the Middle East were generally tolerated. Knowing smiles would break out when she would advise Bush not to "keep threatening war every day" or ask of Gibbs, "We go in to kill and maim and send drones -- is that Christianity?"

Those questions take on a darker connotation now. Just before Thomas announced her resignation, the White House Correspondents' Association called a "special meeting" to consider "whether it is appropriate for an opinion columnist to have a front-row seat" in the briefing room.

But being an "opinion columnist" isn't what got Thomas in trouble; it was her bigoted remark in the White House driveway to a rabbi with a video camera. Now that Helen is gone, there's more need than ever for others in the briefing room to share her opinion -- specifically, the opinion that anybody standing on that podium should be regarded with skepticism.

Dana Milbank - The sad farewell of Helen Thomas
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It is unfortunate that this is the note that her career will end on.

I don't see anything particularly offensive about her question that INDY posted either.

And I sure don't see any reason to have to justify appreciating her accomplishments either. INDY can go be a cry baby somewhere else as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:48 AM   #202
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To be fair, I think the question that INDY posted earlier has a fair bit of editorializing, both in tone and content, something that I frown upon as a journalist. But I don't think it was hateful or ignorant.

But that's neither here nor there. It's sad that such an accomplished journalist ends her career on this note.
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To be fair, I think the question that INDY posted earlier has a fair bit of editorializing, both in tone and content, something that I frown upon as a journalist. But I don't think it was hateful or ignorant.

But that's neither here nor there. It's sad that such an accomplished journalist ends her career on this note.
And I believe everyone BUT Palin, INDY, and Beck would agree with you.
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Sorry, but there was no more reason to admire this woman 2 years ago when we had that thread than there is today. But the fact that her hateful, ignorant "questions" or comments were usually aimed at Republicans, conservatives or the military gave her a pass. Pass, hell, made her a hero to many, including the dickweeds at HBO.
There may be no more reason to admire her two years ago, but there is certainly less reason today.

I suppose you're making the argument that liberal views in general are hateful and ignorant (though typing her recent sentiments as "liberal" is really quite a stretch), but I still say it's a cheap argument. And a low one.
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I honestly had never heard of Helen Thomas (serious. I know...) until that documentary about her a couple years ago. And even then all I knew was that she leaned left and asked a lot of tough questions. I'm not familiar with her questions, her quotes.

That said, I don't think that 2002 quote is all that offensive-it's a fair question. You can't deny the fact that the Palestinian people have been treated like crap both by their own leaders as well as surrounding areas and deserve to not be treated as such anymore. No country deserves that. Israel's people don't deserve the crap they've had to experience, either.

I don't know who's going to replace her, but I do hope that whoever does replace her isn't afraid to be tough (and honest) in their questioning, irregardless of what side they're on.

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I never kept track of all of her comments and I just had a general impression of her as someone who would ask tough questions, so to call people on that after two years? Whatever (bad flashback of that diamond/Hannity thing). And I'm sure there's no one that you like, admire, etc who has made hateful, ignorant comments or asked hateful/ignorant questions either.

I just thought she had a long and pretty admirable career and broke ground for women. It's sad to see it end that way.

Sorry, I in no way meant to imply that admiration 2 years ago was tantamount to condoning her latest statements. But she does have a long history of, if not anti-Semitic, then uninformed, anti-Israel statements. And her personal hatred of Reagan and Bush was equally obvious.

My only point. Conservatives have known for decades she was a vile woman with a deep hatred for the state of Israel. Bienvenue to the rest of you.
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My only point. Conservatives have known for decades she was a vile woman with a deep hatred for the state of Israel. Bienvenue to the rest of you.
Sure. Because we now all agree with your assessment of the woman's character.
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Well I guess it was out in the open in all kinds of secret conservative society meetings. I never heard about it Must have been a vast left wing conspiracy to protect her.
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Everyone, repeat after me: Just because someone might disagree with Israel's policies does not in any way, shape, or form mean they have a "deep hatred for the state of Israel."

I could be wrong, but I think I'm not.
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Conservatives apparently easily confuse legitimate criticism of a country's actions in conflict with another peoples with anti-statism (here: anti-Israelism).
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