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Old 06-07-2010, 01:56 AM   #181
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...oooooooooh. Yeouch.

Why the hell would she say that? That's incredibly stupid.

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Old 06-07-2010, 10:43 AM   #182
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agreed. awful comment, Ms. Thomas.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:29 AM   #183
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I immediately assumed that she may be going senile. The woman is pushing 90, it wouldn't surprise me (given the various strange things said by my assortment of grandparents when they got to that age).
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Old 06-07-2010, 01:01 PM   #184
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Or she just felt entitled to say it because of her age-that happens too

She has announced her retirement
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Old 06-07-2010, 01:30 PM   #185
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If you knew anything about the situation instead of spouting the same crap over and over again you'd know this.
I'm not the one calling other people names and making comments about other people like that. Its one think to comment and debate the issue, its another to call people names and express the above.

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Hamas are not the only group firing rockets at Israel from Gaza.
I'm aware of that, but that does not prove that Humas did not fire any rockets during the ceasefire.

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The ceasefire ended attacks by Hamas, and was far more effective than an illegal blockade.
Well, where is the proof that none of the rockets fired during the ceasefire were from Hamas?

Also the, the issue is not just the firing of rockets, but the smuggling of weapons into Gaza from Iran and other places. The ceasefire certainly did not stop the smuggling of weapons.


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I imagine the reason Hamas etc fire rockets into Israel, is that they believe their homeland has been stolen. It's probably that simple. I agree with Israel's right to exist (if a enough people want to form a country, feel free) but I recognise that existence came at a terrible price for the Palestinians
The 1948 UN peace plan was more than fair, but the Palestinians and Arabs rejected it and chose war. Its this war which the Palestinians and Arabs chose that is the cause of the suffering of the Palestinians.

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You can argue about historic rights to the land, but the bottom line is before Israeli's returned, people were living on that land, and the Israeli's weren't exactly gentle in moving them off.
1. There have actually been Jews living in the area, although small in number, consistently for thousands of years, although this not really the relevant issue here.

2. From the early 1500s to the end of World War I, this land was Ottoman land. The Jews who moved to the area in the late 1800s and early 1900s joining Jews that were already living there, did so lawfully and with the permision of the Ottoman Empire.

3. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed at the end of World War I, the lands and nationalities of the area certainly had every right to form their own state on the land they already privately owned.

4. In addition, many Jews who came after World War I legally purchased land in the area.

5. Unlike the Palestinians, the Jews did not oppose the Palestinians right to form their own independent state.

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People forget the existence of Israeli was based largely on the sort of terrorism that the Israeli's condemn Hamas for
The Israeli's were not against the formation of an independent Palestinian state as long as they could have their own. After Israel was formed in 1948, it was brutally attacked by the Palestinians and 5 Arab countries and has been under constant attack by Terrorist for the past 62 years.

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As with the formation of Israel peace is only going to come from negotiations which neither side has had a stellar record in.
Israel has a good record which starts with their acceptance of the UN peace plan in 1948. Since then the majority of Palestinians have rejected the peace plans, and chosen terrorism over non-violent protest. This poor choice by palestinians is the primary cause of their problems and inability to form an independent state.
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Old 06-07-2010, 02:00 PM   #186
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4. In addition, many Jews who came after World War I legally purchased land in the area.
Less than 7% of the land by 1947. For the record.
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:26 PM   #187
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Since it hasn't come up in here yet...

Should Helen Thomas finally be retired from her seat in the WH press room?
Here's a past thread about how popular Helen is with some here.

"Thank You, Mr. President: Helen Thomas at the White House"
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:31 PM   #188
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Here's a past thread about how popular Helen is with some here.

"Thank You, Mr. President: Helen Thomas at the White House"
nothing changes in two years.
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:36 PM   #189
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Less than 7% of the land by 1947. For the record.
7% of which land?
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:51 PM   #190
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I'm not the one calling other people names and making comments about other people like that. Its one think to comment and debate the issue, its another to call people names and express the above.

I'm aware of that, but that does not prove that Humas did not fire any rockets during the ceasefire.

Well, where is the proof that none of the rockets fired during the ceasefire were from Hamas?

Also the, the issue is not just the firing of rockets, but the smuggling of weapons into Gaza from Iran and other places. The ceasefire certainly did not stop the smuggling of weapons.




The 1948 UN peace plan was more than fair, but the Palestinians and Arabs rejected it and chose war. Its this war which the Palestinians and Arabs chose that is the cause of the suffering of the Palestinians.



1. There have actually been Jews living in the area, although small in number, consistently for thousands of years, although this not really the relevant issue here.

2. From the early 1500s to the end of World War I, this land was Ottoman land. The Jews who moved to the area in the late 1800s and early 1900s joining Jews that were already living there, did so lawfully and with the permision of the Ottoman Empire.

3. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed at the end of World War I, the lands and nationalities of the area certainly had every right to form their own state on the land they already privately owned.

4. In addition, many Jews who came after World War I legally purchased land in the area.

5. Unlike the Palestinians, the Jews did not oppose the Palestinians right to form their own independent state.



The Israeli's were not against the formation of an independent Palestinian state as long as they could have their own. After Israel was formed in 1948, it was brutally attacked by the Palestinians and 5 Arab countries and has been under constant attack by Terrorist for the past 62 years.



Israel has a good record which starts with their acceptance of the UN peace plan in 1948. Since then the majority of Palestinians have rejected the peace plans, and chosen terrorism over non-violent protest. This poor choice by palestinians is the primary cause of their problems and inability to form an independent state.
Strongbow is actually the Manchurian Candidate.


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Old 06-07-2010, 10:24 PM   #191
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:41 PM   #192
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Here's a past thread about how popular Helen is with some here.

"Thank You, Mr. President: Helen Thomas at the White House"
That's pretty lame.

How on earth was any one supposed to know two YEARS ago what Helen Thomas would say about Israel today.

That was cheap, INDY. Cheap.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:39 PM   #193
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That's pretty lame.

How on earth was any one supposed to know two YEARS ago what Helen Thomas would say about Israel today.

That was cheap, INDY. Cheap.
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“Ari, does the President think that the Palestinians have a right to resist 35 years of brutal military occupation and suppression?”
— Helen Thomas’s question to White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, April 1, 2002.
Sorry, but there was no more reason to admire this woman 2 years ago when we had that thread than there is today. But the fact that her hateful, ignorant "questions" or comments were usually aimed at Republicans, conservatives or the military gave her a pass. Pass, hell, made her a hero to many, including the dickweeds at HBO.
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Old 06-08-2010, 07:46 AM   #194
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I'm sure you don't like the tone, or suggestion, and there's plenty you might refuse to acknowledge, but that question is not hateful or ignorant. And certainly not even remotely comparable to her deplorable recent comment.
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I never kept track of all of her comments and I just had a general impression of her as someone who would ask tough questions, so to call people on that after two years? Whatever (bad flashback of that diamond/Hannity thing). And I'm sure there's no one that you like, admire, etc who has made hateful, ignorant comments or asked hateful/ignorant questions either.

I just thought she had a long and pretty admirable career and broke ground for women. It's sad to see it end that way.
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