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Old 08-27-2015, 09:36 PM   #106
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Lawn Darts have been banned because they're too dangerous.

Lawn Darts.

FUCKING LAWN DARTS.

But guns... noooooo. Can't ban them. It's the fault of the bad person, not all us law abiding gun owners.

Fucking hell.
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:14 PM   #107
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Lawn darts are a frivolous and unnecessary danger. Guns are a necessary tool for everyday life. Try to stop a zombie apocalypse or the King of England with a lawn dart.
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:27 PM   #108
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or marial law take over by Obama
Clinton had one planned behind that phoney Y2K.
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Old 08-28-2015, 03:06 AM   #109
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Are these shootings actually getting more common? It seems like they are, but I can't be bothered looking for statistics. I mean now, as compared to say, this time in the 1990s, or the 1980s? Are guns more widely disseminated than they were then?

In other words (no, this isn't any argument against Australian-style gun laws, of which I wholly approve), are these incidents - criminal, but not 'crime' in the olden-days sense of someone out to score some money or something, but actually suicidal acts - some kind of canaries in a coalmine?
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Since Newtown, the unthinkable horror that was going to finally get our country to wake the fuck up when it comes to gun violence, 84,524 people have died from a bullet.

for those keeping track, zero people have died from lawn darts over that same time frame.
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Since Newtown, the unthinkable horror that was going to finally get our country to wake the fuck up when it comes to gun violence, 84,524 people have died from a bullet.

for those keeping track, zero people have died from lawn darts over that same time frame.


where did you get that number?
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:10 AM   #112
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where did you get that number?
It's on the cover of today's Daily News
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Lawn Darts have been banned because they're too dangerous.

Lawn Darts.

FUCKING LAWN DARTS.

But guns... noooooo. Can't ban them. It's the fault of the bad person, not all us law abiding gun owners.

Fucking hell.
Nothing to see here. The US does not have any problems. Nobody knows what you're talking about. Guns are obviously not the issue. lalalalalalaaaaaacan'thearyouuuuuuuuuuu
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There should be graphic warning labels on guns, showing the aftermath of a toddler getting ahold of one and shooting their mother.

Sadly, if the murder of 20 small children didn't get anything accomplished, nothing will. It's sick that gun owners are ok with the senseless murder of children just so they can pretend to be Dirty Harry. Because, that's the result of their "freedom to bear arms", the highest gun violence rate in any developed country. Congrats, assholes.


Living 30 minutes away from Newtown, I've met a handful of first res ponders, cops, firemen and paramedics. The scene was beyond comprehension and their words haunt ME (I can't imagine being one of them). One in particular said that every asshole that spouts off about the 2nd amendment should take a look at the photographs from that school and then try and defend a persons right to own semi-automatic weaponry. You would think that the killing of 26 innocents would have changed the mindset of this country, even the NRA but we're just a bunch of mindless lazy idiots who elected these shit for brains who were funded by the NRA.

Again, to be clear I believe that a person should have the right to have a weapon to either hunt with or protect property and life. I'm still waiting to hear whats the argument that one should have a semi-automatic weapon and hollow point bullets. This country better wake the fuck up.
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Again, to be clear I believe that a person should have the right to have a weapon to either hunt with or protect property and life. I'm still waiting to hear whats the argument that one should have a semi-automatic weapon and hollow point bullets.
Never know when you're going to encounter a herd of 2,869 angry deer on a hunting trip.
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Since Newtown, the unthinkable horror that was going to finally get our country to wake the fuck up when it comes to gun violence, 84,524 people have died from a bullet.

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Since Newtown, the unthinkable horror that was going to finally get our country to wake the fuck up when it comes to gun violence, 84,524 319,915,457 people have not died from a bullet.


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Regarding the article Irvine shared...this probably is a 'more guns' problem for the U.S. But ultimately folks are blaming the wrong people for the reason we have more guns. It started as The Rest of Us versus the Gun Nuts. Then, people got more informed and it evolved into...The Rest of Us versus the NRA...but because of typical political bullshit has mostly devolved back into...The Rest of Us versus NRA members...

And that's not what this should be about.

The fight against the NRA is not about the tens of millions (over time) they receive from gun nuts from all over the country. That alone couldn't compel the congress to behave as they do. It's mostly about the hundreds of millions (over time) they receive from gun manufacturers.

We all know the NRA is to blame for why we didn't get sensible gun legislation after Newtown. 80-90% of all those polled (surely including many gun owners, and some gun nuts) supported some sane regulation. But the reason it didn't happen isn't because millions of Joe Bobs love the 2nd Amendment and send their yearly dues to the NRA. It's because the NRA is funded by the gun manufacturers. Without that kind of big money something would have been done after Newtown. Even though these people (regardless of the NRA) mostly believe passionately in the 2nd amendment.

Having tons of campaign money wins elections. Almost all of them. And that is not plausibly fixed any time while any of us are alive. So we have to de-emphasize the need for all these campaign donations. Members of the House literally never stop raising money for their elections every two years. That gives all the power in the equation to those financing their campaigns. And we cannot rely on them to police themselves. Even the Good Guys (whomever you believe the Good Guys are) need this money to get elected. It is an irreconcilable problem in terms of leaving them to clean up their own backyard. They won't do it and basically they can't do it.

So how do we begin the process to stopping this? Supporting longer terms and term limits. Fewer elections. De-emphasize the corporotacracy. If you want sane gun legislation and you don't support both of those things you are not working towards the beginning of solutions.

We simply need to start fighting to get our republic back. 80-90% of people supporting ANYTHING and we can't get lawmakers to act? Think about it folks. This is just one issue among many. Remember the expiring Bush Tax Cut fight? The Norquist Lobby had the GOP by the balls then. Remember all you folks that were disappointed in the ACA? The HC Insurance lobby literally wrote that bill...they wrote a bill they wouldn't fight against. Because they have this kind of power - and the reason they have it is because money (legally) buys both the votes of the people and of the Congress. So the big money is a problem that isn't going away. True campaign finance reform is impossible. We need to ONLY support candidates that support longer terms and term limits whether they are Democrat or Republican or anything else. We need a People's Lobby. Oust every incumbent that doesn't support it. And certainly never vote for any candidate that doesn't support it.
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You can effectively ban guns without actually banning guns. That's how we need to go about this. Treat guns as a product with as much need to regulate as cars, and with the social responsibility of cigarettes. A gun in a house with children should be treated with the same opprobrium as a woman drinking and smoking while pregnant. Bring back shame, apply warning labels, tax the shit out of guns and bullets, make life inconvenient for gun owners as we do for cigarette smokers.

Incremental change we can believe in.

And I'll add I have no problems with hunting (asshole dentist game hunters aside). But you can join a club and do that. Regulate, regulate, regulate.
Incremental change is a better message than simply trashing a large moneyed segment of the the U.S. population.
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Regarding the article Irvine shared...this probably is a 'more guns' problem for the U.S. But ultimately folks are blaming the wrong people for the reason we have more guns. It started as The Rest of Us versus the Gun Nuts. Then, people got more informed and it evolved into...The Rest of Us versus the NRA...but because of typical political bullshit has mostly devolved back into...The Rest of Us versus NRA members...

And that's not what this should be about.

The fight against the NRA is not about the tens of millions (over time) they receive from gun nuts from all over the country. That alone couldn't compel the congress to behave as they do. It's mostly about the hundreds of millions (over time) they receive from gun manufacturers.

We all know the NRA is to blame for why we didn't get sensible gun legislation after Newtown. 80-90% of all those polled (surely including many gun owners, and some gun nuts) supported some sane regulation. But the reason it didn't happen isn't because millions of Joe Bobs love the 2nd Amendment and send their yearly dues to the NRA. It's because the NRA is funded by the gun manufacturers. Without that kind of big money something would have been done after Newtown. Even though these people (regardless of the NRA) mostly believe passionately in the 2nd amendment.

Having tons of campaign money wins elections. Almost all of them. And that is not plausibly fixed any time while any of us are alive. So we have to de-emphasize the need for all these campaign donations. Members of the House literally never stop raising money for their elections every two years. That gives all the power in the equation to those financing their campaigns. And we cannot rely on them to police themselves. Even the Good Guys (whomever you believe the Good Guys are) need this money to get elected. It is an irreconcilable problem in terms of leaving them to clean up their own backyard. They won't do it and basically they can't do it.

So how do we begin the process to stopping this? Supporting longer terms and term limits. Fewer elections. De-emphasize the corporotacracy. If you want sane gun legislation and you don't support both of those things you are not working towards the beginning of solutions.

We simply need to start fighting to get our republic back. 80-90% of people supporting ANYTHING and we can't get lawmakers to act? Think about it folks. This is just one issue among many. Remember the expiring Bush Tax Cut fight? The Norquist Lobby had the GOP by the balls then. Remember all you folks that were disappointed in the ACA? The HC Insurance lobby literally wrote that bill...they wrote a bill they wouldn't fight against. Because they have this kind of power - and the reason they have it is because money (legally) buys both the votes of the people and of the Congress. So the big money is a problem that isn't going away. True campaign finance reform is impossible. We need to ONLY support candidates that support longer terms and term limits whether they are Democrat or Republican or anything else. We need a People's Lobby. Oust every incumbent that doesn't support it. And certainly never vote for any candidate that doesn't support it.
Saying it's impossible isn't going to fix things. And I know that comes across as naive, but it really is true that we need to start voting for candidates who are in favor of reform. There's just too much money coming in from people who are not THE PEOPLE.
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